只有那些从来没在美国生活过, 工作过的人, 才会觉得美国的税比加拿大底得多! 你知道美国的联邦个人所得税有多高! 你又知道美国SMALL BUSINESS的税比加拿大要高多少! 你又知道美国人均医疗保险是多大的一比开支! 你可知道美国的County Tax 有多高, 美国有些州的地税又有多高. 再看看你在美国是不是能向加拿大一样每人将近$9,000年收入不用交税.(本人并非要贬低美国. 美国也有很多税收减免, 比如家庭, 房款利息都可抵税. 美国是个伟大的国家. 但是加拿大也是一个伟大的国家. 美国和加拿大都有很多值得互相学习的地方, 两国的税率也不是差别那么大).
经济方面, 远的不说, 近几年加拿大的经济一直是7国中发展最好之一. 加元持续上涨就是最好的说明. 加拿大贸易月月盈余; 财政月月盈余! 你倒是说了句实话, 加拿大的体力活机会很多, 你可知道来美国的华人有几个没有打过餐馆工! (本人并非看低餐馆工, 只想说明, 这都是工作)...我很高兴加拿大和美国有那么多的机会.
如果你是说加拿大的失业率高于美国, 说明你还太肤浅. 问问你周围有见识的人, 美国的统计标准和加拿大的有什么不同. 问问为什么在美国你几个月如果不找工作就不再把你算入统计之列...
加拿大的工资真是那么底, 还是你的水平差, 还是你们昧着良心说瞎话! 的确我有朋友年薪6-7万. 他们甚至5万多也拿过. 可拿8万, 9万, 10万以上的也大有人在. 纽约, 波士顿工资是高, 可你对那里的房价也略知一二吧. 你知道硅谷平均年薪有多少, Texas平均年薪多少; Florida, Illinois 等等平均年薪又有多少! 他们的工资水平要么底于加拿大, 要么没有质的区别. 难道那里不是美国吗, 难道你还需要我给你举更多的例子吗!
如果你才来, 我劝你不要被表面现象迷惑. 竟然有人说中国的基础设施比加拿大好. 你恐怕从来连车都没开过吧. 要不然对基础设施之一的交通怎会一无所知, 要不然怎么会讲这样的傻话呢! 更不谈污染, 豆腐渣工程, 过路过桥费! 中国一般老百姓有几人有钱有心周末开车几百公里去赏景游玩呢!
再回那些认为加拿大跟在美国后面的人. 首先, 要肯定, 两国都是自由民主的资本主义国家, 绝大多数利益是一致的. 许多决策当然一致. 另外, 加拿大因为对太空武器化存有顾虑, 对美国提出的导弹防御体系说不. 加拿大感觉缺乏证据, 更没有参与入侵伊拉克. 你说出这样的话, 不是在扇自己的嘴巴吗!
那个说他没有得到ALBERTA OIL SAND好处的, 你有没有想过, 你为什么不用付ONTARIO居民要付的PST! 为什么省政府可以补贴老百姓汽油, DAYCARE等项目? 为什么你的房加呼呼上涨. 大概能有这样件第的LOSER还在观望吧!
如果你真的是在加拿大, 多问问你周围的成功人士, 多问问你在美国的朋友. 更是要多看报. 别把自己限制在中文的环境里. 全面了解对你的成功才有益.
加拿大也好, 美国也好, 都还有很多需要改进的地方. 加拿大不是天堂. 但加拿大大概是人类最优化的社会之一. 只有懒汉, 庸才才会一味指责别人! 才会责怪天上为什么不掉馅饼. 如果都你不是, 对不起, 那你一定是躲在一个阴暗角落放冷箭的小人.
那些以为加拿大连中国都不如的人, 我很佩服你的自豪感. 本人也是华人. 但衡量一个社会成功与否的重要标准之一是看你如何把自己的弱势群体扶起来. 中国勉强让一部分人先富起来了. 她还有很长的路去走. 如果你是在中国, 请你相信, 世界人民都希望中国人富裕, 中国环境优美, 中国成为地球上负责认的一员. 这也符合世界人民的利益. 如果你还以为世界人民都想与你为敌, 而促使你攻击海外华人, 攻击你的友国, 受伤害的最终将是你自己.
多谢!
你们了解加拿大吗-2？
hucheshaya 发表评论于
We can only imagine how despicable and pathetic those people like heroes3lover are...whoever he is speaking for...
涑水河 发表评论于
加拿大和美国各有其特点，加拿大更温和一些，更多一些人情味。不过，不是所有的人都知道。尤其是刚从国内来的朋友，中国和加拿大有天壤之别，也不能指望他们在一夜之间认清这个世界。不必大动肝火。支持！
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整天在吹嘘自己的收容所
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喝白开水健康 发表评论于
读你文章了，支持你的观点。我在ALBERTA，从大陆出来的基本都安居乐业。喜欢这儿的单纯，安全，方便。只要付出就有收获的环境。
hucheshaya 发表评论于
avalong,
即便按照你说的情况来比较, 加拿大两个人的 TAX-FREE CREDIT 也将近17000(估计). 这一CREDIT还根据通货膨胀因素在不断上调. 而且各省政府都对DEPENDENT有税收减免措施. 联邦政府每月还发放至少$100/每小孩的牛奶金. 低收入家庭可以拿到更多.当然在美国, 房屋贷款利率还可以抵税. 其他的401K和加拿大的RRSP差不多. 教育基金也类似.
你说的15%在安大略已经是14%. ALBERTA现在只有6%. 而且即便是ONTARIO, 食品是没有税的, 无论是进口的还是国产. 美国一般购物也有5-9%的税. 而且旅馆,租车在很多地方都要征收将近20%的税. 地税在美国有些COUNTY更是高达3%. 比如说, 20万的房子, 每年要交$6,000的地税. 这还不安包括教育税.
即便你有最好的保险, 生一个孩子在美国要花$2000. 加拿大全部免费, 产假还可以休一年, 工资由政府发. 相信你也知道美国的医疗费用有多高. 即便公司给你提供保险, 仍然要付甚至高达$400/月的保费, 虽然这一点因家庭因公司而异. 加拿大人一住进医院, 一切费用都由政府负担. Someone is got to pick up the bill. 加拿大人见医生, 体检都是免费的. 而在美国, 再好的保险, 病人仍需付相当一部分. 另一个问题是, 并不是每家都有六口人.
对老年人来将, 加拿大更是好得多. 一个持"金卡"的老人, 每半年就得重新续卡. 更不要说病人看病要等得时间. 遗憾的是, 你我都有老的那一天.
让人不解的是, 在美国员工的工资中仍有一项是MEDICAL CARE 税.
再谈美国的Social Security系统. 因为你的税前收入的7.5%被扣. 如果是Self-employed, 你的收入的15%无条件要交给Social Security. 其他的税再说. 然而, Social Security却濒临破产. 从Allen Greenspan到Bush总统, 一次次的大声疾呼可见问题的严重性. Baby-Boomer一代的退休将使问题变得更复杂. 这也许是所有人一生中的一笔投资. 虽然加拿大也面临Baby-Boomer们退休的挑战, CPP (Canada Pension Plan)的工作要做得好得多.
你还可以看看美国军费的开支, 加上其他原因, 就能理解为什么美国无力顾及自己的百姓. 这些原因, 以及其他所述, 才是我一直说加拿大的老百姓过着更无忧无虑, 跟安全更有保障的生活. 也是为什么加拿大比美国更适宜居住.
这一切, 并不是说美国就真得怎么样了. 希望民主党在这次能重新在CONGRESS拿回多数. 我想对老百姓要好得多. 美国毕竟有很多很聪明的人. 仅仅听听Barack Obama (Senator of Illinois)的演讲, 就觉得美国充满希望. 美国仍然是世界最好的警察.
另外, 我实际上很赞同美国军费开支的比例. 实际上是加拿大的军费开支太少了. 很高兴加拿大正在改进. 美国当然有很多做得很好, 很有效的地方. 要对加拿大和美国进行比较, 实在是很难. 我们很幸运能生活在这两个伟大的国家. 也许扯远了, 请你原谅.
即便按照你说的情况来比较, 加拿大两个人的 TAX-FREE CREDIT 也将近17000(估计). 这一CREDIT还根据通货膨胀因素在不断上调. 而且各省政府都对DEPENDENT有税收减免措施. 联邦政府每月还发放至少$100/每小孩的牛奶金. 低收入家庭可以拿到更多.当然在美国, 房屋贷款利率还可以抵税. 其他的401K和加拿大的RRSP差不多. 教育基金也类似.
你说的15%在安大略已经是14%. ALBERTA现在只有6%. 而且即便是ONTARIO, 食品是没有税的, 无论是进口的还是国产. 美国一般购物也有5-9%的税. 而且旅馆,租车在很多地方都要征收将近20%的税. 地税在美国有些COUNTY更是高达3%. 比如说, 20万的房子, 每年要交$6,000的地税. 这还不安包括教育税.
即便你有最好的保险, 生一个孩子在美国要花$2000. 加拿大全部免费, 产假还可以休一年, 工资由政府发. 相信你也知道美国的医疗费用有多高. 即便公司给你提供保险, 仍然要付甚至高达$400/月的保费, 虽然这一点因家庭因公司而异. 加拿大人一住进医院, 一切费用都由政府负担. Someone is got to pick up the bill. 加拿大人见医生, 体检都是免费的. 而在美国, 再好的保险, 病人仍需付相当一部分. 另一个问题是, 并不是每家都有六口人.
对老年人来将, 加拿大更是好得多. 一个持"金卡"的老人, 每半年就得重新续卡. 更不要说病人看病要等得时间. 遗憾的是, 你我都有老的那一天.
让人不解的是, 在美国员工的工资中仍有一项是MEDICAL CARE 税.
再谈美国的Social Security系统. 因为你的税前收入的7.5%被扣. 如果是Self-employed, 你的收入的15%无条件要交给Social Security. 其他的税再说. 然而, Social Security却濒临破产. 从Allen Greenspan到Bush总统, 一次次的大声疾呼可见问题的严重性. Baby-Boomer一代的退休将使问题变得更复杂. 这也许是所有人一生中的一笔投资. 虽然加拿大也面临Baby-Boomer们退休的挑战, CPP (Canada Pension Plan)的工作要做得好得多.
你还可以看看美国军费的开支, 加上其他原因, 就能理解为什么美国无力顾及自己的百姓. 这些原因, 以及其他所述, 才是我一直说加拿大的老百姓过着更无忧无虑, 跟安全更有保障的生活. 也是为什么加拿大比美国更适宜居住.
这一切, 并不是说美国就真得怎么样了. 希望民主党在这次能重新在CONGRESS拿回多数. 我想对老百姓要好得多. 美国毕竟有很多很聪明的人. 仅仅听听Barack Obama (Senator of Illinois)的演讲, 就觉得美国充满希望. 美国仍然是世界最好的警察.
另外, 我实际上很赞同美国军费开支的比例. 实际上是加拿大的军费开支太少了. 很高兴加拿大正在改进. 美国当然有很多做得很好, 很有效的地方. 要对加拿大和美国进行比较, 实在是很难. 我们很幸运能生活在这两个伟大的国家. 也许扯远了, 请你原谅.
点点星光 发表评论于
从一份研究报道发现，中国新移民平均化10到12年达到加拿大平均公民收入。真希望现在还在奋斗的兄弟姐妹能挺住。在科学界，清贫10年钻研一个重要课题的比比皆是。
avalong 发表评论于
文章写的不错。 有一点希望你可以了解。
我在美国，加拿大都交过税。美国和加拿大的税率其实差不多，但是美国有很多可以抵税的项目，而加拿大却很少。 所以实际上加拿大的税是很重的。
比如在美国每个人都有抵税额，包括小孩，来访问的你父母亲。假设你赚5万，两个小孩，每个人可以抵税3000，全家就是6个3000，1万八可以抵税。而在加拿大，你只可以抵税两个人，而且是抵税还要来一个15%。 一句话，如果是高工资的话，根本无法抵税，只有等死。
我在美国，加拿大都交过税。美国和加拿大的税率其实差不多，但是美国有很多可以抵税的项目，而加拿大却很少。 所以实际上加拿大的税是很重的。
比如在美国每个人都有抵税额，包括小孩，来访问的你父母亲。假设你赚5万，两个小孩，每个人可以抵税3000，全家就是6个3000，1万八可以抵税。而在加拿大，你只可以抵税两个人，而且是抵税还要来一个15%。 一句话，如果是高工资的话，根本无法抵税，只有等死。
hucheshaya 发表评论于
Tango,
After you said something you want to say, you don't want to give the other people chance to reply, no speaking of argueing.
Can anyone be more arrogant than that? That being the case, you post is deleted.
After you said something you want to say, you don't want to give the other people chance to reply, no speaking of argueing.
Can anyone be more arrogant than that? That being the case, you post is deleted.
点点星光 发表评论于
那些感觉加拿大不象仙境的，可能没到过加拿大的东部和西部。我在美国和加拿大东西中部都去过，用仙境描述加拿大的许多地方一点不过分。不过一个国家再好，如果你还在底层挣扎，是无法感受到的。我欣赏hucheshaya文章的气魄，真正的加拿大是令人自豪和骄傲的！ 美国属阳，生龙活虎，弱肉强食；加拿大属阴，博爱温柔，资源宏大；中国呢，阴阳兼备，各有一些：）
hucheshaya 发表评论于
Tango,
I give you a lot of credit for admiting that you missed that critical piece of information about Canada's role on war on terrorism
I appreciate that you are not saying/judging me not to read the news any more
I'm confused who is more "judgemental" here. I understand that you speak for "any one", while I'm only speaking for my conscience when Canada, which I consider myself a proud part of, is put into such an unfavourable way by her own people. And those are the people that won't hesitate for a single second to exhaust all they can to milk the system.
I'm glad that you mentioned that it takes time. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make. It also takes patience and persistence. I can only hope this is well understood.
Let's also talk about some "racism, cultural discrimination =hostility". Have you personally experienced any? I had some too. I totally understand that does exist. Canada is not perfect! But it's one of the best of the world. And that's why we need keep working on it. We shouldn't think we are here just to enjoy. We got work to do. On the other hand, is the issue becoming such a factor to stop you from being successful? Come on Tango! Give me a break.
I give you a lot of credit for admiting that you missed that critical piece of information about Canada's role on war on terrorism
I appreciate that you are not saying/judging me not to read the news any more
I'm confused who is more "judgemental" here. I understand that you speak for "any one", while I'm only speaking for my conscience when Canada, which I consider myself a proud part of, is put into such an unfavourable way by her own people. And those are the people that won't hesitate for a single second to exhaust all they can to milk the system.
I'm glad that you mentioned that it takes time. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make. It also takes patience and persistence. I can only hope this is well understood.
Let's also talk about some "racism, cultural discrimination =hostility". Have you personally experienced any? I had some too. I totally understand that does exist. Canada is not perfect! But it's one of the best of the world. And that's why we need keep working on it. We shouldn't think we are here just to enjoy. We got work to do. On the other hand, is the issue becoming such a factor to stop you from being successful? Come on Tango! Give me a break.
tango123 发表评论于
Re:Hucheshaya
1. Why don't you read the news to learn the fact that Canada even didn't send a single RCMP officer to Iraq to train the Iraqis. Canada is only in Afgannistan.
ok, I took Iraq for Afgannistan.
2. That's right everyone's life has lots of ups and downs. But he/she becomes a loser if he/she blames a country that he/she volunarily immigrated to for his/her failure.
Even though they immigrated to Canada of their own volition, it is still reasonable for them to blame Canada because there are things to blame here such as racism, cultural discrimination =hostility may have more passive impact on the newcomers. It is also reasonble for them to do so because of the expectations induced by Canada itself. I also think that they must have already blamed themselves a thousand times.
Maybe you are doing ok here but that doesn't mean you are brighter and nicer than those people,. neither do u have the right to call other people losers. Even though they go back to china someday, which still doesn't mean they are losers,cus they just take other direction which may be better for them.
What i mean here is to be more understanding and tolerant, less judgemental.
3. I'm only defending Canada when she has been so distorted by the Chinese community and when she has been so wrongfully judged by so many that knows so little about Canada. I'm not judging or pre-judging anyone's life, even though I wish them all the best anywhere in the world, including Canada.
You have been judgemental, any one can tell when he/she reads your article. I venture to say that you might have not been through any real ups and downs, otherwise you will know that when people feel down or are depressed, they tend to take in the dark side more than the bright side.
To me, it is not distortion either, I would rather think that those are just not- well- balanced point of views--they seems to put more emphasis on one side of the coin, and ignore the other side, but the important thing is both sides are equal real and equal true.
Be understanding and give people more time, they will learn to enjoy the beauty and cozy life in this country.
By the way, losers are those people who give up, but I often find those people still working very hard to get out, I don't think they could be classified as losers.
No hard feeling.
1. Why don't you read the news to learn the fact that Canada even didn't send a single RCMP officer to Iraq to train the Iraqis. Canada is only in Afgannistan.
ok, I took Iraq for Afgannistan.
2. That's right everyone's life has lots of ups and downs. But he/she becomes a loser if he/she blames a country that he/she volunarily immigrated to for his/her failure.
Even though they immigrated to Canada of their own volition, it is still reasonable for them to blame Canada because there are things to blame here such as racism, cultural discrimination =hostility may have more passive impact on the newcomers. It is also reasonble for them to do so because of the expectations induced by Canada itself. I also think that they must have already blamed themselves a thousand times.
Maybe you are doing ok here but that doesn't mean you are brighter and nicer than those people,. neither do u have the right to call other people losers. Even though they go back to china someday, which still doesn't mean they are losers,cus they just take other direction which may be better for them.
What i mean here is to be more understanding and tolerant, less judgemental.
3. I'm only defending Canada when she has been so distorted by the Chinese community and when she has been so wrongfully judged by so many that knows so little about Canada. I'm not judging or pre-judging anyone's life, even though I wish them all the best anywhere in the world, including Canada.
You have been judgemental, any one can tell when he/she reads your article. I venture to say that you might have not been through any real ups and downs, otherwise you will know that when people feel down or are depressed, they tend to take in the dark side more than the bright side.
To me, it is not distortion either, I would rather think that those are just not- well- balanced point of views--they seems to put more emphasis on one side of the coin, and ignore the other side, but the important thing is both sides are equal real and equal true.
Be understanding and give people more time, they will learn to enjoy the beauty and cozy life in this country.
By the way, losers are those people who give up, but I often find those people still working very hard to get out, I don't think they could be classified as losers.
No hard feeling.
hucheshaya 发表评论于
RE Tango123:
1. Why don't you read the news to learn the fact that Canada even didn't send a single RCMP officer to Iraq to train the Iraqis. Canada is only in Afgannistan.
2. That's right everyone's life has lots of ups and downs. But he/she becomes a loser if he/she blames a country that he/she volunarily immigrated to for his/her failure.
3. I'm only defending Canada when she has been so distorted by the Chinese community and when she has been so wrongfully judged by so many that knows so little about Canada. I'm not judging or pre-judging anyone's life, even though I wish them all the best anywhere in the world, including Canada.
1. Why don't you read the news to learn the fact that Canada even didn't send a single RCMP officer to Iraq to train the Iraqis. Canada is only in Afgannistan.
2. That's right everyone's life has lots of ups and downs. But he/she becomes a loser if he/she blames a country that he/she volunarily immigrated to for his/her failure.
3. I'm only defending Canada when she has been so distorted by the Chinese community and when she has been so wrongfully judged by so many that knows so little about Canada. I'm not judging or pre-judging anyone's life, even though I wish them all the best anywhere in the world, including Canada.
tango123 发表评论于
更没有参与入侵伊拉克?
Are you sure? Did u read the news?Canada sent troops to Iraq in the name of peace keeping, but what they do is just like the americans.
加拿大的工资真是那么底, 还是你的水平差, 还是你们昧着良心说瞎话?!
Ha, i know that you don't read news, according to statistics the average annual income of chinese immigrants is less than $20000.
Everyone's life has its up-and-downs, which doesn't mean that they are losers when they are down. It may take some people longer to acculturate.And how do you define losers, more money means more successful? I can see where you are going to.以金钱衡量成功和失败?你太好玩了.
Life is complex, you should learn to be more understanding not so judgemental.Besides, next time when you have to pass such judgement to other people, try to make it reasonable, i mean on firm ground.
Are you sure? Did u read the news?Canada sent troops to Iraq in the name of peace keeping, but what they do is just like the americans.
加拿大的工资真是那么底, 还是你的水平差, 还是你们昧着良心说瞎话?!
Ha, i know that you don't read news, according to statistics the average annual income of chinese immigrants is less than $20000.
Everyone's life has its up-and-downs, which doesn't mean that they are losers when they are down. It may take some people longer to acculturate.And how do you define losers, more money means more successful? I can see where you are going to.以金钱衡量成功和失败?你太好玩了.
Life is complex, you should learn to be more understanding not so judgemental.Besides, next time when you have to pass such judgement to other people, try to make it reasonable, i mean on firm ground.
乱嚼舌头 发表评论于
把一个又冷又冰的国家说得像个仙境，其他在加拿大住了几辈子的中国人，也没有像你这样领悟。你可真是个SOMETHING。
杨子 发表评论于
"衡量一个社会成功与否的重要标准之一是看你如何把自己的弱势群体扶起来"。 真是写到点子上了。
oldgoods 发表评论于
canada is not bad, but is not the best
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