但是护士觉得我这个intern很没有责任感,坚持让我page on call ICU attending,那个时候是早上三点半,我打电话到attending家里,把这件事情跟他说了,他说you are absolutely right,我把电话给那个护士,然后起身离开了。那个护士再没有page我。后来我不断地在电脑上check J女士的血压和其他指标,没有恶化,也没有好转,一直到我离开医院。
on call today again, just leave a quick note here, Mrs J passed away this morning...
Angelboy 发表评论于
To wuximm, haha..... it is kind of funny that we keep talking about the DNR in Luohua’s place while she is struggling in saving patient live. Indeed, you and Luohua are truly knowledgeable about the US hospital settings. Regarding the claim for the current ‘consultation’, if you can provide a CPT code, I may take the bill, but based on my knowledge there is no such code for charging online E-consultation, am I right? A modified code won’t get process. Haha, please excuse my defense and I am just kidding!!! Hopefully one day, fee for E-consultation will be incorporated into the next step of EMR implementation. Payers will recognize a win-win situation and be willing to pay. Nice to talk to you.
wuximm 发表评论于
To angelboy: there is a pre-printed form for DNR order, they are usually placed in the first a few pages of medical record along with advanced directive or living will if pt has one, attending physician has to sign and specify what exactly code status is, such as: no CPR, no shock, no intubation, want HD or MICU transfer. Pt or power of attorney or family members sign their initial. Attending physician has to renew it every 3-7 days by signing initial and date. Also, in the physician's progress notes, usually will document that decision making processes by saying "discussed with pt or so and so, decided to have code status as such". Are you working for insurance company or lawyer, who requires you know all these details? I am going to charge you for fees, ha-ha. But I enjoy to answer your questions, make me feel I am so "knowledgeable".
To worm: yes, in hospital, there are all sorts of color code, I think code red means there is fire, code blue means missing newborn baby-usually is because the new father is too excited and bring a newborn baby out of boundary and tricked alarm, code zebra means bioterrorism, etc. I hope Luhao doesn't mind I take up too much of her space.
Angelboy 发表评论于
To wuximm: thanks very much for detailed info, it certainly help a lot. So my understanding is that there might not be a word 'code' written in chart, it is just the word mainly used between providers communication, but there were full detail of DNR-related deion listed in pt chart, and all of them were raised and confirmed by pt. Thank again.
furfurworm 发表评论于
thanks. what is red code and blue code then?
wuximm 发表评论于
To Angelboy; Ideally, every patient should have a code status, if not, we assume full code. In the different hospitals, there are different names, such as DNR or modified DNR, DNR I or DNR II, etc. Pt makes decisions if he/she is mentally competent, or follows pt's advanced directive if he/she has one, or neither of above two situations, next kin or family members make decisions for pt. Full code means when pt is dying, physicians have to resuscitate pt in every possible ways, which include: CPR (usually will break up pt's ribs), electrical shock trying to restart heart beats, intubation to keep pt on ventilating machine, and using vasal pressor to maintain blood pressure, etc. Modified DNR or Chemical code means pt wants certain things done but not all, for instance, pt may not want any invasive treatments such as: No CPR, Shock and intubation, but they do want to have all other treatments like IV antibiotics, vasal pressor ( chemical code), any anti-arrhythmic drugs, and sometime including hemodialysis. Complete DNR means comfort measures only such as pain medications, O2, feeding, don't give any resuscitation effort so pt dies in peace.
Just like Luhao stated, it depends on pt's condition and religious beliefs..., physicians will give some advises to help the decision making. Full code doesn't benefit everybody, such as terminally ill pts, it only adds on pain and suffering and prolongs dying process. I hope my explanation make some sense to you.
I believe everybody should have a "advanced directive" and "living will". It is human nature that we want to live independent life with dignity, and we die in peace when time comes. In my experience, well educated and wealthy elderly patients usually choose DNR ( don't resuscitate), and less educated and poorer patients choose to have full code. The case you encounted is very common, these patients lived horrific life, when they die, there are no body even care to make a decision for them, so they will die in a slow and painful death as well. You did absolutely right in this case, place a Art. line only adding on pain and suffering to a dying pt and it would not change outcome, maybe make it easier for the nurse to monitor her BP, that is all.