回复croupier的评论:
I cannot agree with you more. The Chinese from mainland is for sure more aggressive and they certainly have more skill to get along with their supervisors. One thing I do worry about is that some of Chinese are not honest to themselves enough and playing games too. Well, playing game is acceptable as long as it is legitimate. Recently I heard a few cases in Bay Area that some of the Chinese managers are not living to the expectation when the turth comes out. I am not saying they are cheating, but they are not honest to themselves and many times pretend to know what they don't know. I had seen this situration before and I will describe in my future writing. Thank you for your reading and comment.
croupier 发表评论于
Very interesting discussion.
I never had chance to talk to the early gerneration of Chinese industry veteran from Taiwan and HongKong who fighted their way in the US till I came to Taiwan; surely they have my full solute for being the vanguard few decades ago and could now offer us younger people from mainland some rich heritage, I guess this is what yijibang is doing at the moment. I also believe the enviroment in 1970s for Chinese in US is definately more difficult than nowdays.
Something we would like to share with anyone who is interested in this discussion is that, it seems people from mainland are more aggressive thus somehow feel more at ease to cope with the sometime cunning side of the corporate politics, thanks to the culture revolution; so once they overcome the language barrier, they appear to be frequent to be promoted to senior positions, compared to those technology savvy but sometimes meek and weak Chinese from Taiwan and HongKong who might feel more comfortable working in university and research institute.
I still believe, being a gentleman does not make you a good leader, there are occasions you need to show your teeth and fight, Comrade.
kittensc 发表评论于
Hi, yijibang 前辈, thank you so much to taking so much time to share your experiences.
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回复丁庄秀园的评论:
I don't think anyone would like to attend the meetings including me. Once you are in a position, you are the one to make decision whether you need a meeting or you can cut down the meeting time. I am working in a start up company now. We are certainly doing very well to control the number of meetings and the meeting time. Thank you for your reading and comment.
丁庄秀园 发表评论于
Thanks for sharing your valuable experience. I also attended several leadership trainings but never went into management since I don’t like to attend meetings – although it is much better experience of meetings in US described in my 在美国开会.
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回复ironchef2的评论:
Thank you very much. I totally agree with your point of view. As matter of fact, I always mentioned in my blog, that we have to improve our English and to gain a deep understanding of American culture. I have two grown up children, they constantly tell me that they do not feel any discrimination in their working enviroment.I believe if we can melt into this society, we will be better off. Unfortunately, as a Chinese, we not only can not give up our culture completely but also we won't be able to. Anyway, I am near the end of my career, for all the younger generation, you guys have a chance, a chance to improve yourself to make yourself a part of this community and enjoy your life. By all means, I still believe this is a lovely country full of expectation and opportunity as long as you have a desire to pursue what you want. Thank you again for your reading and continuing suupport.
ironchef2 发表评论于
前辈, I have lots of respect for you and we appreciate your time tremendously for sharing your valuable life experience with us. I read my comment again, it is blunt(?), and probably it was written for myself to read. True, "discrimination" exists among different races, even among same race. But it is a pure race issue? or rather the different life experience, language, different education and culture that contribute to the "discrimination"? Your children probably already answer these questions. Am I an ostrich? Absolutely. But in a positive way. My attitude is to focus what I can do in my power and what is in my best interest. Still remember how your Korean assistant was treated? I believe working on personal weakness will gain more respect than a crying baby. And from what I read, this was what you did to succeed during your long career.
A Chinese phrase, "listening to a wise man is better than reading books for three days". I really benefits from your writings.
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回复ironchef2的评论:
Well, I am not going to argue with what you have just said. Actually that was indeed what I thought when I was still a graduate student. I even thought at time, there was no racial discrimination because I did not see those things in shcool. But this may not be true in the real world. I will get into details about how did I struggle and finally get into management postion in my write up. Thank you for your comment.
ironchef2 发表评论于
We cannot simply attribute the failure in management position to the race factor. It is deeply rooted in our culture and education that we excell in science and technology. We rarely had education on communications, leadership, management in our early education. And our culture encourage "low key". If you want to take on a management spot, equipped yourself with experience (start something small such as volunteer in a committee etc.), knowledge and embrace the American culture. Shatter the "quiet" barrier and speak up, let your existence be felt.
It is not the race factor that matter, but the early education, culture, personality, communication skills, the will to take responsibility and sacrifice, and experience that count. Unfortunetely, a stereotypical Chinese immigrant lack all of those to be a leader, and we often regretly attribute to the race factor.