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Hello Jellis,

This topic you have brought up is complex and goes very deep. What

you will find is that even if you don't stutter, that entering into



a conversation with normal fluent speakers going at full pace will

create a barrier.

While others enter straight in, we tend to wait for a pause,

however what you will find is that the pause will not come.

As for myself, I attempt put myself in their situation and try to


feel how they feel. However what I find is that my mind rejects this

and I feel very threatened by them. If I read the under lying body

language between people having a conversation in full swing I read

it as aggressive. I try to reframe it into a safer non-threatening

feeling. But so far to be honest I have not managed to do it, even


if I CAN enter into the conversation.

Something I do, which I think most people in this group will NOT

agree with. I actively seek to make my conversational skills

Dominating. Previously I perceived a conversation as person A speaks

then person B speaks then person A speaks on equal terms. But after


observing people again and again what I found was that person A

speaks and person B listens and agrees. Even if person B speaks it

is only to agree with person A. Person A will hold and control the

conversation, they will allow person B to speak.

My 'Personal' view in group conversations is that there is one or


two dominant controllers and several listeners(Passive). Only when

the dominant speakers allows then the Passive speakers can speak.

Extending this further into stuttering. When we are in conversation

with a group of fluent speakers we are at the bottom of the food

chain. meaning we are the most passive. If you see it from this


view it says that the only reason why we can't enter into

conversation is because the dominant speakers don't allow it. That

is why the pause never opens up. because the more dominant speakers

are having a influencing/convincing war with each other.

Try this little experiment. Sit in a public area and obverse people


having a conversation at a distance, so you can't hear them. Now

pick the person speaking the most and put yourself into their

position speaking the way they speak. And feel what they feel. When

ever I do this, I feel like I'm about the punch the other person I'm

speaking too. All I can feel is aggression and spite, when I don't


even know the topic of conversation. This my own personal feelings

you may feel different. But this is what I try to reframe. I also

believe this is what my inner feelings pick up when I speak to

people. But this is only a small portion of the overall picture.

Good topic by the way, does anyone else have any other comments.


Max Stringer.

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