you are another suspect here? you certainly talk like chinese government agent.
there is video footage in the news tonight that the parents are signing the petition and they are upset with the fact the schools are collapsing with the other buildings around them standing.
except the fact that there is still some good person in chinese government really cant face the brutal fact so they are ordering the auditing of the doggy school buildings. now tell us who sent you here brain washing innocent people??? do you have cousin or neice buried down under the rubbles??? you are certainly destined for hell.
for more detailed news refer to:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/080521/21/16ya5.html
再来一条，摘自多维：
Don't be a goon的评论
May 16th, 2008 at 4:16 am
“我 父亲（快七十了）昨天特意骑车去都江堰看了看地震灾区的情况。根据成都到都江堰的一路上看到的（他是走老成灌路），一点儿不像刚经过地震，看到的房子从外 表看到没受损。但是当看到都江堰聚源中学的时候，他非常震惊。中学附近看起来很老很破的民房都没有倒，唯独这间学校几年前修的楼倒，埋了上千人。真是让人 痛心啊！这不能不让你联想，如果这些修得稍微结实一点儿，这可怕的地震就不会带走这么多中学生。
国家建筑标准有没有被切实施太重要了。这可能关系到成千上万条人命啊！虽然在震中，但汶川的受灾情况比北川还好些。怎么解释呢？”
回复freerefill的评论:
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No idea how or why u go berserk since u jumped out like nobody to whom,
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poor guy! what do you mean? please put down in clear english. You call that berserk? I can show you far stronger anger and change the definition of this word in your dictionary! you just small cock enjoying narcissus feeling! I have lots of teachers, sure, you are one of them. That might be our difference: you try to be my teacher, but for me you are welcome to be my teacher.Boy!
greyleggoose 发表评论于
回复life&heart的评论: Good point! Don't be distracted by those noise. Saving lives first!!!
freerefill 发表评论于
To andromedae:
thanks for ur attention. No idea how or why u go berserk since u jumped out like nobody to whom, but if I were u accusing other ppl for not being nice or respectful enough, I'd avoid abusive animal word and try using rhetoricals such as thank or pls. If you missed my point one should base his comments on the real world situation, I'd be happy at least you found I'm just humble towards down-to-earth projects and ppl. Thank you for giving me a chance to educate u, last time.
password?! 发表评论于
At this moment, please make more donations, provide suggestions, and encouragement!!!
its time to punish those who is responsible for the collapse of the school buildings,
anybody who has kids would agree with this, for whatever excuses or reasons, we need to bring the responsibles to the justis
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回复freerefill的评论:
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totally weak comments. why did you behave yourself like a fully squeezed dog? ur words are not supposed to set up any good commmunication and enhance the strength of your argument except that you thought might satisfy your fragile amour-propre. you talked around just like a winning cockerel sweeping the arena after defeating your opponent, but wait a second, from the beginning, you had been hoping there was no opponent at all. Irony! purely self-abuse matter.
Is that your humble way to educate others? you could have spread your points in a much more respectful and convincing way but you chose the most funny way. As a result, collison between arguments does not happen!
thanx for the comment. It's amazing someone have such admirable control of his time...I don't have that much time to deal with your superman thinking, it's the last time I bother to remind u if you have the time you could (NOT only "could have".. gosh, how exhausting to talk to someone blabla"could have.."phrases") put the time to better use rather than commenting like a God or his representitive judging what happens on the other side of the world. pls, if you r so fond of "best", go for a sky diving and ask a "best"coach to try that out a "best" rainy day and see how other ppl respond, that'll give u an easy flavor of real world situation). It's right we r lucky to have a brain, unfortunately not everyone seems to have ears to help them think in a rational way to tell the difference between words and action. I can't help laughing on why I should prove anything like best, that's not gonna help with my disertation, as an engineer I think in a humble earthy way to get things done rather than wasting time to "explore"the best in the air. I just respect the guys who parachute from 4000m in bad weather with no idea of the nature of the landing place, or marching for days relentlessly to get into the devastated place with no road ahead. They are exploring, they are helping, they are risking their life to rescue, not you, who best overuses your beautiful brain thinking to comment those ppl who are doing the best that they can.... no matter what you are, hope God help u anyhow, pls don't speak like him or someone who's so addicted in nonsense like best best best from nothing, if you have no touch down of the real world situation. I hope as many ppl as possible to care, if they r the ones that help. thank you.
回复Iam40的评论:
So far, your point is, the government surely DIDN'T do their best to save people? Is this what you have been trying to say? let's put aside if the buildings are following building code or not, or who should be responsible for that.
The question is,have you been reading news other then CNN, to see how the government reacted before making judgment that the first batch of rescuer a para-trooper and helicoper droped?
副总统切尼做了些什么呢？30号和31号，他两次打电话给南方松树电网公司（southern pines electric powerassociation ），要求他们转为抢修密西西比州科林斯附近的电站。为什么呢？因为这个电站是为 colonialpipeline输油管服务的。这条输油管负责从得克萨斯向美国东北部运送油品。
白宫的救援指挥部在飓风袭击的36小时后成立，并且决定“在第二天开展工作”。
8 月30号，新奥尔良开始发生大范围的武装抢劫和放火行为。当一名游客向警方求助的时候，得到的答复是“你去死吧！现在都是各顾各了。”（go tohell, it's every man forhimself）。8月31号，1500名警察接到命令，放弃搜索幸存者，改为执行维护治安的任务。同时全程宣布宵禁。同日，女州长凯瑟琳-布兰科声称武装部队已经进入新奥尔良，并在电视上威胁说“他们对开枪和杀人很在行的。。。如果需要的话他们会的。。。”。至9月1号，已有6500名国民警卫队奉命赶到新奥尔良。9月2号，州长要求增派4万名国民警卫队参与救援和维护治安。最不可思议的是有人向救援的直升飞机和车队开枪射击。
I only have one question, if this report helps any to save people's lives there. I don't care if this is the truth or not, I just want to know, when people see this, what they will think and what they will do after read this. At this moment, life is the subject, how many lives we can saved by this moment by this news? China need different voice, free speech is one of the most important human rights, but people, please, let's do this after this disaster, let's do thing to help those crying and bleeding, and point out this just 36hrs later, prey for them, thanks.
to Iam40, 我挺想知道你强调的更smarter的调动海陆空三军的方法，当然如果你能把当地的地形，震后天气和交通状况都核算在内就更好了。对了，你还得知道各军区的分布和需要调配的人数和编制。你应该把你的建议给cnn看看，让他们有更充分的理由指责中国政府，或者你应该申请成为国家紧急救援中心的顾问，这样我们这些外行人都能放心了。
I am very proud of our army and Premier. They are the loveliest person in the world. I am also thinking that we should learn from this in the future.
I know that when Japanese has an earth quack, they will live together in the schools, because schools are the best buildings in their communities. We could do better and must do better in the future.
I don't understand why so many people like to use dirty words here. Does the dirty word really make people feel better?
Or do the dirty words help justify yourself in any way?
Iam40 发表评论于
To foamdreamer,
I like your statment "政府的工作就是来批评的"! that's the way to make sure we have a better tomorrow that today!
duckwade,
Thank you for the information! There is no proof for any corruption yet. In fact it is not the time to talk about this yet. But people should keep their minds open for any comment about this rescue, this event. That's they only way to make sure that we would do it better in future.
I don't like the way to blame others just because they see things differently.
Everybody see things in his/her own way, putting everybody's view together, we could have a better picture.
To 5608978,
What andromedae commented was something called common sense. Take a look at the pictures and use our brain, we can have the sense.
You don't need an expert for everything.
Yes, 美国, 英国,法国,台湾, they all have 腐败. So they have their media to get them exposed.
So when this earthquake happened, isn't it reasonable that people can give some suggestions or think about some better ways (whethere realistic or not) ?
So we have any reason that we simply classify these opinions as "白垃圾"?
I am not saying I agree with the opinion of the author of this artical.
So there is CNN and there is also MSN.
We have no reason to blame the whole western media just because of this artical in CNN.
Even CNN, they don't always give false report!
We need to see the facts using human being's eys, not only Chinese's eys.
"比比美国政府2005年风灾时的态度，中国政府已经做很好了。"
I believe it's true! But what is the reason to make you think that US should always be the best?
You know that Bush is an idiot!
We don't compare with others. But we need to think whether there is a better way to handle it.
Of course, it is not the time to talk about this at this moment. But sooner or later, we need to seriously talk about this.
mricase 发表评论于
对于死了孩子的家属，救援再快也是姗姗来迟。悲痛的心情可以理解。但一定要说实话，有良心。
Iam40 发表评论于
To 衣带渐紧终不悔,
I fully support your thinking. You are the guy with a brain.
The important thing is not to blame or to accuse. What happened happened. But it's absolutely criminal if we allow the same thing happen again in future.
mricase 发表评论于
没有一个国家的学校都建的能抗7.8级。这是事实。
天晴晴 发表评论于
这些白垃圾及白垃圾的走狗们又开始撒谎，造谣了！！！
7.8级的地震，且余震不断！什么叫建筑质量有问题？？？
如果他们坚持这些愚蠢的理论，给米国的白房子做个试验，看它倒不倒？让这些大脑里养金鱼的人好好想想。
比比美国政府2005年风灾时的态度，中国政府已经做很好了。
Iam40 发表评论于
To freerefill,
I respect you for what you have done to help the people. But what you have done cannot prove that the Chinese government is doing in the best way. I have no doubt that Premier Wen and others were putting their best effort to rescue people. I am in fact really touched by the Premier and what the soldiers. But there is one thing I don't believe. There had not been too much external help to the most seriously damaged places for about two days (Sorry not really accuratedly). Are you absolutely sure that's the best thing we could do?
I was not criticising the government. I was just exploring whether there could be a better way. We CANNOT be god! But thank GOD! He gave everyone a brain to think!
I am not sure why you think it is so important to be a Chinese a not. Under God's name, we are all brothers and sisters. We care about each other no matter whether you are a Chinese or not.
If you think only Chinese could care about the people suffering in this earthquake, that's absolutely wrong. True ! This is a judging, but with condition.
但是，学校在地震中面临的危险是不可掉以轻心的。在2004 年，有30 个成员国家
的 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development 的研究指出，在地震中倒塌的学校建筑多是由于可以避免的设计或建筑错误，或是监督，执法不严的缘故。这样的危险性在增加，原因之一是因为贫穷国家人口的不断增长。地震专家 Brian E. Tucker 在于2006 年向欧洲和亚洲的10 个国家提交的一份研究报告中指出，世界上有1 亿8 千万人，包括4 千万学龄儿童，面临类似2005 年在巴基斯坦发生的地震引起的灾难的风险。在那次地震中，7,000 所学校倒塌，造成1 万7 千名儿童丧生。专家的建议是，不一定设计不会倒塌的建筑物，但至少可以在设计上考虑到给营救者提供救援的通道。
I TRY TO RESPECT EVERYONE, AND TRY TO DO WHAT I CAN TO HELP BY ORGANIZING THE DONATION AND CONDOLENCE IN MY COLLEGE. IT BOTHERS ME YOUR COMMENTS AND ATTITUDE, YOU DON'T SEEM TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OF ANY CONSIDERATION OF THE REAL SITUATION WHILE YOU BLABLA CRITICIZING AND JUDGING...BASED ON UR IMMARUIRITY OR BIASED OPINION BEFORE HAND. ARE YOU THE GOD? OR AT LEAST YOU ARE A CHINESE? IF NOT, YOU CAN PUT YOUR TIME ON BETTER USE LIKE GOING ON CNN.
对其他人：
我为很多中国同胞最近的表现感到骄傲，为遇难者致哀，用我们最大的能力，帮助国内的同胞。谢谢
吉火 发表评论于
To Iam40: 现在根本没人鼓吹现在的营救工作有多 successful, 因为这样的营救工作注定不会有 success, 不管决定是怎么样,像你这种思维的人,还是会责备政府的,因为你认为你的想法才会 successful.
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回复Iam40的评论:
Whatever happens, there are always people to blame government! Did you know the epicenter has been heavily raining after the quake? Did you know that the helicopter has been waiting to take off but they just couldn't because of the rain? Did you know the first troop arrived not by parachute, but on their foot?
"Using air force, boat, automobile altogether at the very beginning", This is exactly what they tried!! You just think you are the smartest? If you are not there, then just shut the FU*K up!
I know it was very difficult to reach there. These are all in the news. But do you know how did the first rescue batch reach there? Parachute! Helicopter! Do you think that helicopter could not reach there earlier?
As you said and everybody knows, 自古蜀道难。We knew this at the very beginning, should we have better plan before we have started?
A better way could be "Using air force, boat, automobile altogether at the very beginning". That's the way to handle life. Premier Wen Said "Ren Ming Guan Tian!"
melissa_wu78 发表评论于
Iam40，我很感兴趣的是，您在您过去的40年中有没有关心过这些should
be stand 的房屋，有没有为中国这些比较贫困的地区出过一份力量，如果没有，就请闭嘴！！！！！同时我也很关心如果加州地区发生7.8的大地震，the last 20% building 是不是都是学校！！！！！！！！我想你应该不是中国人，你的祖辈中没有过一点中国血统，中国人中没有你这样没有人性的！
You are not fair to say that. Do you know how hard the roads there 阿惹 ? The first soliders got to WenChuan walked 60 miles in 24 hours. The mountains there are stones, towns are in the 山谷。路一边是山，一边是水或崖。你有一千种理由指责政府，但在这次救援速度上，他们不比任何国家差。自古蜀道难。我们说话不腰痛
Iam40 发表评论于
Look at the photos, in the town of YinXiu, there are still buidings standing.
In my oppinion, if there were 20% buildings standing, most of them should have been schools. Schools should have been the last buildings to fall down.
The public facilities like schools, theaters, big shopping centers, churches should always follow a higher construction standard.
Schools gather mass of people. Who are those people? They are kids ! They are most vulnerable! They are most precious !
I know it is not the time to talk about these now. But we have to talk about these after the rescue settle down.
Put your feet in the shoes of those people who lost their kids, parents, wifes, fathers, brothers, sisters, would you still get angry in this way? Sure, it's not the time to find out who should take what responsibilities. But it is also not the time to shout out how successful this has been. Look at the numbers! Finally over 50,000 people could die! If the heavy equipments had been in the most serious areas earlier, I am sure the death toll would be much smaller.
I am not saying the government has not put their best effort. But there was better ways to handle this and to organize the team. After two to three days passed, the government was gathering 100 thousand army for this. If this could have been done at the right beginning, we would have a much smaller death toll.
The people in the WenChun and BeiChun would never be happy with this kind of resuce. Too late ! Too helpless ! Those ar e the most important places we should have reached. When did the rescue team reach there ?
lujizize 发表评论于
To foamdreamer:
人心都是肉长的。可是路断天热，火葬场都来不及的。唐山当年人葬浅了，又重葬。
老天无情，疫病有速，人啊，无奈的是有时要拿刀扎自己的心啊。都是子孙，都有子孙， 无奈呀。不
Quality of school building? Not visible from looking at the collapsed buildings. They were just not designed/constructed with any seismic considerations.
Being a professional structural engineer in California, I know all CA schools are designed to protect the life of kids during earthquake. The hospitals are designed to be operational after the earthquake.
People should really do is to have a new law passed to inspect all school buildings and retrofit them, not just for earthquake, but also fire, wind and etc. It has to be reinforce all the way down to the most remote area.
那些学校建筑的质量确实差劲，事实上，在过去的３０年里，中国一直在生产质量次价格低的东西。这种质次价低的建筑是无法在这种天灾中存活的。US also has a lot of this kind shitty stuff, like that katrina broke new orleans' levee system, and even americans prefer japaness casr over american car.
chinese are paying the price for making the lower quality cheap stuff.
