They are simply a bunch of whining babies. Most of them do not even have the memories into the 70's. Or someone simply not from mainland China and pretend to be the fair judge.
尔曹身与名俱裂，不废江河万古流
very well put!
stockganster 发表评论于
回复可选项123的评论:
你TRUTH并不值钱
Of course, you can't handle the truth, that's all!
Well said! some do even worse. Like the one who compares 梁效”with 戈培尔. a truly barking dog! I am not even sure this guy was even old enough to be tortured back then. He probabaly just think himself as "saving souls".
stockganster 发表评论于
回复可选项123的评论:
我看您的言论离梁效也不远了。我不认为北奥是在吹捧范达人，可是如果我有家人在文革中被梁效的文章所害，我会像青青一样愤怒的”
其实我看这stockganster就是他本人? Whom you are refering me to? 范达人? You really think youself a smart a**, don't you?
Tell you the truth, I am 46 years old. Get a clue?
stockganster 发表评论于
回复出场费的评论:
我就当只卫道Gou，时不时“汪汪”叫两声，警告某些幽灵离人类远一点。
hehehe, you truly think you are the god, don't you? Keep barking! Oops.
stockganster 发表评论于
回复居有竹的评论:
Well, I guess your brain only has size to absorb the things from a web article and deduce the conclusion from it. Very very sad. I only comment on your brain size but did not infer you are a criminal yet as you did to other people.
stockganster 发表评论于
回复出场费的评论:
I am wondering how many "alias" you have. All the sudden, the guys I responded to jumped all together. Hahaha, like you guy(s) are working together. So funny. At least I have the courage to use only one name. You probabaly don't know that your writing style is very similar to that of 梁效. You would have been a really a good fit for them if you born in that age.
回复stockganster的评论:
很有意思。我说的一些话因为与某些人观点不同，就被某些人认为有病： I think you are just a sick human being who needs a lot of help from psychiatrist. 这些人一边说别人还在搞文革，一边却在给别人带帽子。为避免遭受人身攻击，我不会再进这个论坛。
how did you know that 范某人 could 呼风唤雨 in that era? 我想任何一个经历过文革的人都知道这一点。只要读一下北奥先生的文章 ：[“梁效” 先后在, 和 等领导潮流的党报和中央级报刊上发表了 181篇文章, 不仅红极一时, 它更是代表了党中央, 毛主席的声音, 统领全国的舆论界和新闻界. 甚至很快在全国范围内就形成了 “小报抄大报, 大报抄梁效” 的局面.] 这种呼风唤雨 的气势是否很磅礴？
Cut if off! Stop using the word like "罪恶" I don't think your brain is big enough to understand the difference between crime and mistake. 我因为说了一下自己的观点，没想到我的脑容量都成了别人感兴趣的东西。至于范某犯的是罪恶还是错误，我想任何一个经历过文革的人都知道这一点， 这也是文革后他坐牢的原因。我们还是再读一下北奥先生的文章：[后来批判老范的名人竟然又象老范和他们那些”梁效”的文人一样, 重蹈复辙, 盲目地听从上级指示, 顺从地体会领导意图, 把人往死里整, 把话往绝处说, 以打倒别人为自己的政治前途铺路, 以别人的痛苦为自己的最大快感]. 这段话说明范某和后来整他的人都一样[把人往死里整,] ，设想一下，如果有一天某人被人往死里整了, 就会懂得什么是罪恶了。
回复居有竹的评论:
Tell us how did you know that 范某人 could 呼风唤雨 in that era? From where you've learned that? From this article or from somewhere else (specify it)? Do you really know the existence of the guy before this article? If not, how can you draw this many conclusions from reading only a web article. Let along this article did not suggest any of the claims you made. I think you are just a sick human being who needs a lot of help from psychiatrist.
stockganster 发表评论于
回复居有竹的评论:
Cut if off! Stop using the word like "罪恶". What did the guy do? Do you honestly know what he did? I bet you know nothing. If what he did in that era could be considered as "罪恶", we all did it then! I don't think your brain is big enough to understand the difference between crime and mistake. You and several other posters here are behaving just like those hooligans in culture revelution, throwing out big hat one after another without any fact backing up your claim. So sick!
回复丑女的大地的评论:
正义志士站出来，为文革中受尽磨难的中国知识分子仗义执言? Really? So bad most of these people do not even know what 文革 histry was. So how can they represent 受尽磨难的中国知识分子?
回复柳青青的评论:
Again, you are ignoring the basic fact and are way to vague. Which article exactly and when did it cause your 家庭因为梁效文章遭受迫害? If you want to draw some sympathy here, try to lay the fact here. Otherwise, we see nothing other than fabrications. You should have at least this amount of courage to say which article caused your family's ordeals if you claim that 梁效文章 committed horrible crime, right?!
I am not in the defence of 梁效, but I don't think they were a bunch of evils as I know many many people in that era committed same kind of mistakes. They were just in the forfront and easy to be blameed. Also, just like "六月六"'s comments, most of their articles were related 评法批儒”一类的理论东西 and they were only in existence from late 1973 to 1976 which was not in the peak period when the most vicious 迫害 happend. So it's hard to imagine that your family's ordeal had anything to do with 梁效的文章 directly. It's either in your imagination of something else. I think you are possessing same kind of mindset that those people had in the culture revelution. This is exactly the same kind of logic that put your family and a lot of others gone through the tragic events back then. They used imagination and weak connection between the things to criminize certain group people.
I think you are too young to understand all these as you claim you were born in 70's. But seriouly, you should have learned much more before you make a strong comments like this. Again, I am not saying the guy was innocent but it's really far-fetched to claim the guy is a horrendous criminal as you and several others suggested in your posts.
回复nidayewo的评论:
sounds like you are a KMD 特务. What's your problem? Got kicked out from mainland and trys to come back? Next life if you are lucky!
stockganster 发表评论于
回复new8287的评论:
you don't know 梁效是何许人 so you don't have the right to say. go hide in your cave and learn something first! I can't stand the stupidity. A lot of "FenQing" here. I am not a fan of communist but not as dummy as you are either.
of course, but really, what's the connection between 梁效 and her family's ordeal? and why use the word 滔天大罪? She had no idea what she is talking about I guess.
回复柳青青的评论:
流氓? or yeah, you really have 修养 I guess. Go back to your post and see what kind of foul language you used towards this poor guy. In fact, you don't even know the fact. Using the wore of "stupidity" is really luxury for you!
回复柳青青的评论:
BTW, what were consist of 滔天大罪 committed by the guy? Name one or two for us. I bet you did not even know the guy's existence before 北奥's ariticle, did you? Now ansewer the question? when was 梁效 formed?
回复柳青青的评论:
me? as 北奥? Hahaha! By asking you two questions, I just want you to be able to draw inference between your family's ordeal with the existence of 梁效. Does not look like you have the IQ for doing this. You really let youself sound stupid, seriously!
stockganster 发表评论于
回复把酒话桑麻的评论:
well said! You and 勇气号.
But I see ignorance and stupidity go on here like it did in culture revelution. Some people just do not have brain.
What a shame! Those criminals not yet punished!
As long as GCD is in power, those criminals will be OK!
But I believe God will punish their offsprings, like Mao's sons! Wait and see!
stockganster 发表评论于
回复柳青青的评论:
你跟犯下滔天大罪人交朋友!
Wow, scary hat! Sounds like "北奥" deserve to be hanged. Ok, answering two basic questions please. 1) when did your relatives 受害 and 2) when 梁效 was formed?
回复二胡一刀的评论:
I think you need to bat youself! You sounds like a horrible "fenqing" who knows very little but pretend to know a lot.
stockganster 发表评论于
回复stockganster的评论:
read this! This is ture as I know someone very close to me who were chosen as the member. So to those who made things up and bluntly attacked others, I say SFU and learn some basic facts before you post!
How did you know that? You are fully makeing this up! Signify that you are a even worse kind!
stockganster 发表评论于
回复可选项123的评论:
I don't think you know what you are talking about. From the way you are talking, you won't be any better than this guy if there were a second "Cultural Revolution".
回复高山茶的评论:
looks like most of the posters here do not know what "梁效" was. It's a organization but not a individual. This guy was a member of "梁效". 梁效 was made of a group of people who were chosen to represent "Bejing University" and "QinHua University" (so named as 北大、清华大批判组, or 梁效 - you can prononce it as "two schools") to write political articles. The members of the organization were a group of 知识分子 who were chosen from each department. Just like the guy said, they did not have any priviliges other than just ate a little better. They just did what they were told to do which was very typical at that time. Of course, they got fame 'cause the school's fame and they wrote a lot of influential articles back then. For those posters who had hard feelings about the guy, especially the one who compare this guy with "纳粹德国的宣传部长", you are way out the line! Learn some histry before you direct you anger.
