John Ivison: Here's what Caroline Mulroney brings to the party, if she runs for Ontario PC leader
Polls suggest many Ontarians have concluded the Liberals are too old, too tired and too expensive. Mulroney would present a modern, moderate alternative
John Ivison
Maybe they should offer free steak knives with the job.
Why does no-one, with the exception of Doug Ford, want to be leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservatives?
Interim leader Vic Fedeli and new finance critic Lisa MacLeod were the latest potential candidates to rule themselves out Tuesday.
It’s true the party has done a fair imitation of the crack suicide squad from Monty Python’s Life of Brian in recent days.
But, remarkably, it is still well-placed to win the Ontario general election in June. The only poll conducted since Patrick Brown was ousted last week suggests PC support is steady, despite the allegations against its former leader and president. The Forum poll, which gives the PCs a 15 point lead over Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals, even suggests one in five voters may be more inclined to back the PCs in June.
But the reluctance to commit by those most familiar with the party speaks volumes about the mess it is in.
The logistical challenge of holding a leadership contest before the end of March and then, almost immediately, launching an election campaign for a June 7 vote are immense.
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For example, the Tories can’t create an ad campaign until they know who the new leader is. But if they wait until the end of March to book media space, there will no inventory and the cost will be extortionate.
None of this is likely to matter to Ford, who may be using the provincial leadership race as a dry run for another Toronto mayoral tilt against John Tory.
But it should weigh heavily on other potential candidates like rookies Caroline Mulroney and Rod Phillips.
Given the precariousness of the PC position, the party’s membership would be smart to take a long, hard look at Mulroney, if she runs.
It’s true that there are more than two families in this country capable of providing political leadership. And she probably doesn’t even know herself if she has the skills and knowledge, nerves and brains to be a good leader.
But the early signs are good. At 43, with four young children and a successful career as a lawyer, she has life experience. She garnered good reviews when she hosted the federal Conservative leadership convention last spring, even downplaying the prospect of a career in politics. “Who would want to run for their dad’s old job?” she quipped.
Most important from the party’s point of view, she looks like the candidate best placed to beat Wynne.
To do that the provincial Tories must stay united, they need to have moderate policies that appeal beyond their core voting group and they need to be inclusive, appealing to visible minorities and women.
A Progressive Conservative majority will require married women with children to vote for them in their droves.
A glance at the already released platform suggests everything the party has done thus far has been tailored to appealing to this demographic. It contains a child care refund, new childcare spaces, a caregiver tax credit, reduced hydro bills and a middle class tax cut – all paid for with the proceeds of a carbon tax.
Polls suggest women voters were already warming to the idea of a PC government – typically one in three women said they intended to vote Conservative, versus one in five for the Liberals.
But Mulroney would broaden that appeal further still.
Ford has already indicated that party unity is not his top priority. “I can’t watch the party I love fall into the hands of the elites,” he said. “The elites have shut the door on the grassroots, the foundation of our party.”
It would be no surprise if he campaigns on ditching the carbon tax commitment – which would probably be popular with much of the PC base. But if he did, the whole platform would be unfunded and collapse in on itself.
Ford did remarkably well in 2014, winning 20 of the city’s 44 wards. His folksy style appeals to the kind of folks who think the swamp should be drained. Launching his campaign from his mom’s basement was genius.
But he’s a bull who travels with his own china shop and the PCs don’t have time to pick up the pieces.
They spent six months customizing a platform to appeal to the median voter. Many conservatives, including Ford, will think it’s a sell-out.
In truth, much of it reads like a blatant electoral bribe – hello, $500 winter tire tax credit.
But the polls suggest many Ontarians have reached the conclusion that the Liberals are too old, too tired and too expensive.
Mulroney would present a modern, moderate alternative.
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136 Comments
I hope that she could contribute to the development of Canada's economy in the same way as her father did. I noticed that recently, her father, the former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney has been working hard to save North American free trade agreement that was established under his effort with the U.S. in 1989 and later helped create NAFTA.
Ontario is Canada's manufacturing hub and has been declining for years. In this regard, people look for uncontrollable objective reasons,and ignore the controllable subjective reasons, which was that can be improveed productivity, can be reduced manufacturing costs.
Also, the health care system needs for a much improved，and I hope she can make some contribution.
Follow are some of my thoughts on this regards.
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Ontario is Canada's manufacturing hub and has been declining for years. In this regard, people look for uncontrollable objective reasons,and ignore the controllable subjective reasons, which was that can be improveed productivity, can be reduced manufacturing costs.
Also, the health care system needs for a much improved，and I hope she can make some contribution.
Follow are some of my thoughts on this regards.
How to save Canada’s manufacturing from disappearing
http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?mod=space&uid=61910...
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100015909153472
The feasible steps for improving Canada's health care system radically
http://www.kwcg.ca/bbs/home.php?od=space&uid=61910...
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100015909153472
Kit Moore, CPA, Professional Corporation
I would be very happy to see such a successful and experienced woman run for the provincial leadership!
Edite Lynch ·
I will never vote for a woman just because she is a woman. That will never be a criteria for me. I would like the most competent , a great communicator , with loads of experience and real people smarts .
Kit Moore ·
Then I suppose you’re aware of the fact that she has degrees from Harvard and NYU and is an executive in the Financial industry.
Brian Caldwell ·
June Anderson:
Really? How many degress do you have, or NOT have. Degrees do NOT come without effort, some/many more effort than others!
Really? How many degress do you have, or NOT have. Degrees do NOT come without effort, some/many more effort than others!
Phillip Grimison
Kit Moore Isn't Harvard where Ignatieff and McGuinty went after they were shown to be, in McGuinty's case a thief and liar and in Ignatieff's case an incompetent. Harvard and NYU are nothing more than leftist brain washing institutions for socialists.
Sherry McKeon ·
Works at Self-employed
Allan Hay, if you stay home and don't vote you have no reason to complain. I will be out to vote. I am still watching all the people running. I do know there is something fishy going on in the PC party.
I do like Mulroney because she is a educated working person. I will not vote for her just because she is a woman though. I haven't heard anything from her.
Ford is right about the political elites. He is able to swing some of the Toronto votes. But he is very stubborn and forceful. Someone said "A bull in a china shop ". He will definitely get things done.
I need to hear more from both but I am still voting Conservative.
I want a leader not a puppet but I also want a leader who listens to the people.
I do like Mulroney because she is a educated working person. I will not vote for her just because she is a woman though. I haven't heard anything from her.
Ford is right about the political elites. He is able to swing some of the Toronto votes. But he is very stubborn and forceful. Someone said "A bull in a china shop ". He will definitely get things done.
I need to hear more from both but I am still voting Conservative.
I want a leader not a puppet but I also want a leader who listens to the people.
Bob Garagan ·
Works at Retired
Kit Moore Not to mention that her daddy was a former Prime Minister ... just another one from Quebec mind you, but he did have an angophone name.
John Paul Maxwell ·
June Anderson Moron of the day.Thank you!!
Kris Kennedy
Kit Moore Who cares about degrees. smh. Lots of intelligent people out there with a solid credentials but that doesn't make them political leadership material.
I guess it also doesn't concern you that she's really a carpetbagger who has spent most of her adult life in the U.S.? Just another O'Leary and Ignatieff disaster waiting to happen.
I guess it also doesn't concern you that she's really a carpetbagger who has spent most of her adult life in the U.S.? Just another O'Leary and Ignatieff disaster waiting to happen.
Karl Schlabodka ·
June Anderson..only to the incurably ignorant and uneducated
Mike Anderson
June Anderson it means you’ve stewed in the Marxist environment of a university campus for years being indoctrinated
Karl Schlabodka ·
Kris Kennedy...another of the ignorant uneducated uninformed electorate...envious too know doubt of her success
Michael MacLeod
June Anderson The uneducated always say that. It just shows the depths of their ignorance.
Bradley Mathews ·
Works at Retired
Sherry McKeon I heard her speak recently at a fund raiser and she has many good points and speaks well. She is up to speed on the current issues and has some real ideas that could answer some difficult questions going forward. BUT, she is NOT an MPP therefore as far as I know cannot run for the leadership without a seat in a riding.
Geoffrey Kent ·
Brian Caldwell Brian, go easy on June. She's from the valley. G'day, g'day.
Pat Manolis
June Anderson ...does being a drop-out, like trudeau, have special meaning for you?
Mark Klum
Why would you call something a carbon tax which appears to be a wealth distribution tax. Have some guts and remove this absolutely ridiculous tax.
Matt Atkinson ·
The federal givernment has decreed that every provinvce has to have a carbon tax or they will impose one; the Conservatives can at least design one as revenue neutral if they want.
John Dowell
Matt Atkinson -- You are right, Matt, but I have never understood the value of a neutral tax. The carbon tax is meant to discourage a behaviour that progs deem unacceptable, namely the burning of fossil fuels. As a general rule, governments tax what they want to discourage and subsidize what they want to encourage. If a tax is made neutral (to taxpayers), what value does it serve? Why bother taxing at all? The only people who will benefit will be the government hirelings who take a cut to process the tax.
Kevin Landry
Because they are reporters and have to write what someone tells them to write. Most reporters are clueless and quote Keynes wealth distribution theories. Most reporters believe that money grows on some tree in the back yard and very very few understand that wealth and prosperity are generated through hard work and dedication.
John Purchase ·
Matt Atkinson The province of Saskatchewan has flat out told Trudeau and his Federal government to go 'F' themselves in regards to a federaly imposed carbon tax. We need someone in Ontario to do the same.
Martin Vierula ·
I don't have anything particularly against Caroline Mulroney, but:
1) Let's be serious -- she's only being promoted as a lead candidate based on her parentage. Is that really a sensible way to identify contenders? That same intellectually stunted approach is what saddled Canada with Trudeau.
2) The 'qualifications' that Ivison promotes basically amount to demographic check-boxes. Really? Why don't we just hold a random draw of the hundreds of thousands of people with similar characteristics?
3) Can she campaign? Does she know public policy? Can she hold her own in a debate? We simply don't know
4) Let's not kid ourselves. The MSM professes love now, but the day after she won the leadership the character assassination would begin
1) Let's be serious -- she's only being promoted as a lead candidate based on her parentage. Is that really a sensible way to identify contenders? That same intellectually stunted approach is what saddled Canada with Trudeau.
2) The 'qualifications' that Ivison promotes basically amount to demographic check-boxes. Really? Why don't we just hold a random draw of the hundreds of thousands of people with similar characteristics?
3) Can she campaign? Does she know public policy? Can she hold her own in a debate? We simply don't know
4) Let's not kid ourselves. The MSM professes love now, but the day after she won the leadership the character assassination would begin
Trevor Gilbert ·
Is turning to her because of her parentage any worse than turning to Doug Ford because of his brotherage?
Jean-Louis Houde ·
Are you forgeting the biggest joke , our art professor prime minister Justing Trudeau
Mike Anderson
Adam Rizzotto yes you obviously are a superior political mind. I cannot possibly express my sincere gratitude enough that have deemed to enlighten us with your great wisdom. However your obnoxious superiority complex should probably best be addressed by a accredited therapist.
Mike Moore ·
We need a second Mulroney about as much as we needed a second Trudeau.
Bill Moffatt ·
Still feeling butthurt from the whipping Trudeau laid on you I see.
Daniel Bauche ·
Because we all know how well that first dynasty has benefited Canada!
Peter Mcculloch ·
Mulroney was quite a good PM considering the mess he inherited from the first Trudeau whereas Justin is an idiot. Caroline is a very successful lawyer and not a drama teacher; she also has business sense so she would do quite well. Anything or anybody would be a better Premier than the fool we currently have.
Edite Lynch ·
I could see voting for her down the road , just not now. She has to earn her spurs. Secondly, I look for gravitas , not unlike Baroness Margaret Thatcher , and I do not see it yet.
After the mess with Trudeau 2.0 , once burned , twice shy.
A huge mistake many who voted Liberal federally made was voting for name recognition and ' good hair' and they have been burned too. They will be thinking twice about doing it again, especially with someone with no experience in the rough and tumble of politics at it's core.
After the mess with Trudeau 2.0 , once burned , twice shy.
A huge mistake many who voted Liberal federally made was voting for name recognition and ' good hair' and they have been burned too. They will be thinking twice about doing it again, especially with someone with no experience in the rough and tumble of politics at it's core.
Randy Moyan ·
Joe Fedup spot on. PM Selfie Socks will win a second mandate because Canadians are stupid beyond repair. It's why we are a second rate forever underachieving nation never bound for greatness.
Claude DeRoche
Randy Moyan "underachieving nation "
Canada has added an impressive 423,000 net new jobs in 2017, an increase of 2.3 per cent in a year. Of those, 394,000 were full-time.
January 5, 2018
Employment in Ontario increased by 176,300 from December 2016 to December 2017. The increase represents a 2.5 per cent growth in jobs in 2017, just over double the growth rate recorded in each of the previous two years.
The Ontario unemployment has been below the national average for 33 consecutive months and below six per cent for the past five months -- a first since 2000.
Canada has added an impressive 423,000 net new jobs in 2017, an increase of 2.3 per cent in a year. Of those, 394,000 were full-time.
January 5, 2018
Employment in Ontario increased by 176,300 from December 2016 to December 2017. The increase represents a 2.5 per cent growth in jobs in 2017, just over double the growth rate recorded in each of the previous two years.
The Ontario unemployment has been below the national average for 33 consecutive months and below six per cent for the past five months -- a first since 2000.
Bill Ferguson ·
Hmmmm, another business person with no political experience. Kevin O'Leary aside, how's that working for our neighbours to the south?
Bill Ferguson ·
~*LOL*~ Peter, I take it you're unaware the US Fed's fiscal year ended in mid October? All that stuff happened because of the policy & direction of the former government's budget.
Mike Cameron
The American economy is robust and, moving along quite nicely. Here in Ontario the economy is frozen in place like a tongue to a sled in the centre of a blizzard.
Bill Ferguson ·
You might want to look into that Mike. I'd suggest your information is a few years stale.
John Dowell
Mike Cameron -- Hey, Mike, we have a growing and robust unionized public sector here in Ontario. Too bad the actual wealth creators are shutting down in droves.
John Purchase ·
Bill Ferguson - Well, they are still there. They haven't left the continent yet. I wonder how many business's have left the US, and come to Canada recently? You may not realize this, but almost 25% of Canadian Business's are toying with the idea of moving to the US. Seem's the business man down south knows how to attract, well, business. Our 'sunny ways' guy up here, also knows how to make business more attractive in the US as well. So don't fret, the US will be there for little while longer.
Shayism Farouque ·
At least Trudeau was in politics, earned his way up the ladder by fighting to be elected. We need a second Mulroney like a hole in our heads. Another NAFTA deal, another Mulroney. Ya. No thanks
Mike Cameron
At the rate the neo-cons are self destructing there may not be room for pondering.
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Theodore Stig ·
Earned his way? That has to be the dumbest thing I will read today.
Kris Kennedy
Theodore Stig lol...Not really. Trudeau spent a few years as an MP before contesting the leadership so he had a modicum of political experience something Mulroney has none of. Has anyone ever heard the woman give a speech here? And yet they boast of her candidacy? Puleeze!
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John Purchase ·
Well we needed another Trudeau like we needed a second a-hole.
We got that, didn't we?
We got that, didn't we?
Bradley Mathews ·
Works at Retired
First off, she is NOT an MPP, yet, so she cannot run to lead a party she has no seat in. She is only a candidate for the riding. As far as I know a candidate cannot be leader.
Kris Kennedy
Not true. Anyone can contest the leadership as long as they are a member in good standing and get enough signatures to support their candidacy (although I'm foggy about that part)
Ford hasn't got a seat either and isn't a candidate and yet he's running so it would help to check your facts.
Ford hasn't got a seat either and isn't a candidate and yet he's running so it would help to check your facts.
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Tom McCarten ·
That includes Dougie? Here's the bad news, the party has no choice regardless of what you think about the criteria. Thank your stars that Caroline Mulroney is considering lending her skill, talent and knowledge for the swamp. No man can take on the job because two weeks before the election someone will say he did..... and he'll have quite.
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Luc Pépin ·
Works at Retired
Maybe she could bring something new. In spite of the fact that she is rightist, maybe she believes in science. Maybe she is not an Evangelist and she accepts a Palestinian state. Maybe she is a strong Canadian and rejects the rightist double foreign identity (American Republican with a UK monarchy).
Mike Cameron
As long as "Caroline Mulroney" (this gender [me too] crap will be dealt with later) can destroy the Liberal witch and, her band of economical cockroaches, it’s a win, win, against Wynne outcome.
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Michael MacLeod
Bruce Stanley Drone, I love how you've been trained to be prejudiced against other white people, That's a hell of an accomplishment.
Hey since we're going to be cutting your benefits, you might consider selling your tears.
Hey since we're going to be cutting your benefits, you might consider selling your tears.
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Sal Toma ·
I hope the CIA has checked her background, we can't afford another bombshell. The serious work has yet to be done, get rid of Wynne, and her gaggle of incompetents. Hopefully Caroline is the one to do it!
Roberto Duhamel
Trudeaus, Mulroneys, Fords. What's next, Stockwell Day's kids? Surely voters can see beyond a familiar last name when picking political leaders. If not, we are a couple steps away from North Korea style dynasties. Donald Trump Jr. anyone?
Bruce Stanley ·
Why, the NDP didn't see beyiod skin colour and elected a terrorist sympathizer and the LIberals couldn't see the idiocy behind a name. Is your complaint that the Cons might act as superficial as the left?
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Roberto Duhamel
Bruce Stanley - Bruce, you idiot, I listed political dynasties from the left and right because this isn't an ideological issue, it's deeper than that. I realize you are incapable of separating political ideology from any single thought, but most people don't choose their breakfast cereal based on whether it is sufficiently right wing.
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Bruce Stanley ·
Roberto Duhamel I'm simply pointing how stupidly the two left wing parties acted,Relax Conservatives won't stoop that low.TRumps speech was great, eh, and the accomplishments were impressive. Good policies will do that.
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Roberto Duhamel
Bruce Stanley - Bruce, you idiot, please refer to my first response.
Joel Belanger ·
The Liberals are trying to salvage NAFTA, an extension of the Canada-US free trade agreement championed by Brian Mulroney in the 80's. At the time, they were vehemently opposed to the idea turning that election into a referendum on the pact. Let's also not forget that it was Mulroney who led the push from the Anglosphere to support Mandela and the ANC in the fight against apartheid in South Africa. Thatcher and Reagan eventually followed in his footsteps but it was our PM at the time who took a stand first.
Kris Kennedy
What has this got to do with anything? I for one feel that Brian Mulroney's record as PM in the longer run will be vindicated and he will be judged much more kindly by historians than his contemporaries but none of that means his daughter is qualified to be PC leader.
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John Purchase ·
Why does no one with the exception of Doug Ford want to be leader of the PC's?
Who in their right fk'n mind would want the job of shifting through 14 years of piled up shite?
Doug Ford, by declaring his candidacy, might just as well have declared himself a candidate for the nut house.
Who in their right fk'n mind would want the job of shifting through 14 years of piled up shite?
Doug Ford, by declaring his candidacy, might just as well have declared himself a candidate for the nut house.
Kris Kennedy
You make a good point. The party really is nothing more than a raging dumpster fire right now. Questions about their membership, IT systems, dispersal of party funds make them ill equipped to put together a credible leadership race so close to an election. It also calls into question their ability to even wage a credible election campaign in a mere four months
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Owen Burmania
Caroline Mulroney is my first choice.
Bit of a steep learning curve for her but I'm confident that she could get up to speed quickly.
And there is NOTHING that the Ontario Liberals can attack her with lest they alienate the majority of voters.
Wynne and her cabal of incompetents would most surely be decimated in an election if Caroline Mulroney ran.
Let's make it happen!
Bit of a steep learning curve for her but I'm confident that she could get up to speed quickly.
And there is NOTHING that the Ontario Liberals can attack her with lest they alienate the majority of voters.
Wynne and her cabal of incompetents would most surely be decimated in an election if Caroline Mulroney ran.
Let's make it happen!
Kris Kennedy
Are you for real? Mulroney has never been tested in an election, not even having won a seat in the Legislature and you honestly believe the content of your post? Not to mention the fact she has spent most of her adult life in the U.S. so I see another Ignatieff moment here. Someone with very little skin in the game looking for something to do in Canada because maybe she's just bored pushing papers as a lawyer.
Wynne and Howarth would easily wax the floor with this neophyte. She is the last thing this party needs right now.
Wynne and Howarth would easily wax the floor with this neophyte. She is the last thing this party needs right now.
Dave Bottoms ·
Number of times the author mentioned her experience running anything = ZERO. Number of times the author mentioned her experience in politics = ZERO. Number of times the author mentioned her experience at anything at all to do with the job of leading the province = ZERO. We already have a loser running the country who is only there because of his last name. Let's not make that mistake provincially, too.
Joe Fedup
I'll vote for anyone over Kathleen Wynne and Mulroney isn't a career politician. However this PC strategy of being "moderate" didn't work for over 14 years. No reason it should now either.
Ben d'Avernas ·
Works at Self-employed
It worked for Bill Davis who was Premier for 14 years, before that the Ont PC's ruled since the postwar years.
Moderation is needed as well as a quality leader & team, that hasn't happened since the end of the Davis era.
Moderation is needed as well as a quality leader & team, that hasn't happened since the end of the Davis era.
Bruce Stanley ·
Ben d'Avernas Far too much debt ,far too many taxes and far too high energy costs. Couple that with Trumps tax cuts means we need massive deep cuts to survive.
John Dowell
Ben d'Avernas -- Mike Harris received back-to-back majority govenments. Ernie Eves was beaten when he lost his nerve and became Liberal lite. Why vote for Liberal lite when you can vote for the real thing, which at that time was McGuinty?
Kris Kennedy
John Dowell You forget Harris lost 40 seats in the 1999 election which is hardly an endorsement of all he did in his first term. By contrast Ralph Klein won 51 seats in the 1993 Alberta election and actually increased his majority to 63 in the 1997 campaign.
Don't believe for a minute that Harris-style policies or government is going to sell well here. It barely sold convincingly in the 1990's and even then in response to the unpopularity of Bob Rae. The demographics today just don't back up your argument and Eves lost because he cut a boring figure in this game and people were generally fed up with Conservative policies after 8 years.
Last but not least Harris jumped ship in 2002 because he saw the writing on the wall and left others to clean up his mess.
Don't believe for a minute that Harris-style policies or government is going to sell well here. It barely sold convincingly in the 1990's and even then in response to the unpopularity of Bob Rae. The demographics today just don't back up your argument and Eves lost because he cut a boring figure in this game and people were generally fed up with Conservative policies after 8 years.
Last but not least Harris jumped ship in 2002 because he saw the writing on the wall and left others to clean up his mess.
Kris Kennedy
Mike Anderson Perhaps today they are but really I think at the time they were just pragmatic. Fundamentally Conservative governments that preach austerity and are skinflints with the public purse pushing privatization agendas and tax cutting don't last too long in office. Klein did because the electorate out there demanded more public spending when the books were finally balanced and the debt well on the way to being paid down. He had a hard time as premier pushing the same agenda in 1997 and the early 2000's that he pushed in 1993.
Harris on the other hand was a contentious, non-compromising EFF you kinda of politician that ultimately alienated more people than necessary and he bailed out because he saw his own personal popularity in the sewer and the party on the way out of office considering the losses suffered in 1999. Dogma will only get you so far in this business and that's been shown time and again.
Harris on the other hand was a contentious, non-compromising EFF you kinda of politician that ultimately alienated more people than necessary and he bailed out because he saw his own personal popularity in the sewer and the party on the way out of office considering the losses suffered in 1999. Dogma will only get you so far in this business and that's been shown time and again.
Michael MacLeod
Bruce Stanley Your understanding of modern economics is precisely zero, drone.
But I'll get behind massive cuts to services as long as the very first services we cut and the ones we cut deepest are to the elderly.
THEY got us into this mess,
THEY can eat cat food shivering in the dark.
We need to fund the young, as they'll carry the torch into the future.
But I'll get behind massive cuts to services as long as the very first services we cut and the ones we cut deepest are to the elderly.
THEY got us into this mess,
THEY can eat cat food shivering in the dark.
We need to fund the young, as they'll carry the torch into the future.
Gary Larivee
Ben d'Avernas Bill Davis the father of the modern education system and the reason we have teacher ubions. The most over rated Premier ever.
Kris Kennedy
Gary Larivee Give your head a shake pal. Davis was education minister from 1962 to 1971 therefore his policies during that time had nothing to do with his premiership. Also, I don't find anything remotely disaparaging about a man who increased education spending by over 450% in that time or who created the public college system we have today. Seems that some of you die-hard conservative dinosaurs would prefer people to remain the dark ages. After all as Thomas Jefferson once said a society that expects to be ignorant and free expects what never was and never will be.
Ben d'Avernas ·
Works at Self-employed
Gary Larivee : A premier who had the job for 14 years, how have his less then capable replacements done since then?
John Dowell
Michael MacLeod -- Best way we can help the young is to stop piling up debt for them to pay. That means cutting borrowing and spending, not just shifting the spending.
Ben d'Avernas ·
Works at Self-employed
Bruce Stanley : New York & California have the same or higher hydro costs.
Ben d'Avernas ·
Works at Self-employed
John Dowell : Harris was a quitter, he bailed before finishing the second term, same with his teaching & golf careers.
Heather Lapierre
I suspect that she is of the same leanings as Patrick Brown and that is to say a liberal wearing conservative clothing.
Daniel Bauche ·
Abortion funding, bubble zones around abortion clinics and jailing pro-life abolitionists!
Michael MacLeod
Daniel Bauche I'd ask if you are a bot, but even bots posses artificual intelligence.
Jesus you're boring.
Jesus you're boring.
Bruce Miller ·
No need for this "Dynasty Forming" for Canada! These boobs ARE NOT Royalty. Just look what happened to the second elected Trudeau!
Craig Townsend
“She looks like the candidate Best placed to Best Kathleen Wynne.”
What?? All the conservatives had to do was shut up and smile politely, and they would have won. Instead they caved to a political correctness trap, abandoned their leader, who’s past attempts with women is embarrassing, not predatory and now they have no choice but to go into an election with an interim leader.
The whole party has no backbone and now they are grasping at straws because she has a popular last name. Why not do something substantial and make a name for yourselves instead of being spineless politicians afraid of losing your taxpayer paid job? Do something that shows your constituents you act in their best interests, not your reputation’s best interests.
What?? All the conservatives had to do was shut up and smile politely, and they would have won. Instead they caved to a political correctness trap, abandoned their leader, who’s past attempts with women is embarrassing, not predatory and now they have no choice but to go into an election with an interim leader.
The whole party has no backbone and now they are grasping at straws because she has a popular last name. Why not do something substantial and make a name for yourselves instead of being spineless politicians afraid of losing your taxpayer paid job? Do something that shows your constituents you act in their best interests, not your reputation’s best interests.
John Dowell
Come on, Craig. If Brown had stayed on, the media would have made every campaign appearance about the sexual misconduct allegations.
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Bill Brown ·
another lying Brian are ur f**king kidding look at JR Trudeau is doing he's trying to destroy Canada well lets get a Mulroney to finish it talk about corruption
Jim Kovalsky
Its almost like their is a script that these news reports are written from. Destroy the PC Leadership with some unsubstantiated allegations. Enter a character that appears worse than those purged (Ford) then the white knight rides in sidesadlle to save the day. Then the good people have a choice between woman A B or C. As they say everyone rises to their own level of incompetence.
Matt Atkinson ·
The strength of a leader isn't just of the person; it also arises from the quality of the people a leader surrond themself with. She may not the most experience, but she can draw upon people with more experience in cabinet posts. Wynne's Cabinet has been a disaster, as has Trudeau's been. Chretien had good people in the right places, as did Harper.
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Jason Saunders ·
I do not know too much about her yet however she might be the only one that can beat Wynne with such short notice.
John Dowell
Doug Ford is a bull who brings his own china shop... nearly blew my coffee when I read that. Don't know if that was Ivison being original or repeating something but it was funny as hell.
Michael MacLeod
" And she probably doesn’t even know herself if she has the skills and knowledge, nerves and brains to be a good leader.
But the early signs are good. At 43, with four young children and a successful career as a lawyer, she has life experience. "
Wow. So nobody knows if she's got the ACTUAL skills a leader in politics requires.... but she's popped out some kids and held down a job!
Aim high, Tories. Aim high.
But the early signs are good. At 43, with four young children and a successful career as a lawyer, she has life experience. "
Wow. So nobody knows if she's got the ACTUAL skills a leader in politics requires.... but she's popped out some kids and held down a job!
Aim high, Tories. Aim high.
Bruce Stanley ·
We figure if she wasn't a part drama teacher she's good to go. Relax Consevatives will never follow lIberals into the toilet.
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Brian Boru ·
Bruce Stanley Ontario conservatives. In the toilet. Right now. As we speak. Good thunderin Jesus you dense bald meatbag are you really that obtuse?
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Shaun Boersma
Here is what she brings: handed the most staunchly Tory riding in the Province being handed to her. Her father's last name (and all his political connections) and a coterie of Mulroney supporters' children who are - coincidentally enough - around her age and looking for a cushy politics/power jobs.
I'm no fan of the Liberals, and they must go, but neither am I fan of political dynasties in Canada. There really should be a law against running for the office your father held.
I'm no fan of the Liberals, and they must go, but neither am I fan of political dynasties in Canada. There really should be a law against running for the office your father held.
Robert J. Baird ·
Works at Happily Retired
She may be a wonderful person but if I lived in Ontario I would constantly be reminded of lyin Brian and the brown envelopes of cash, and I'm a hard core conservative no less! We saw an enamoured liberal party with trudeau the younger and look at the self obsessed narcissistic justin obfuscating mess we have as PM. I wish Ontarians the best and a return to being a "have" province because they couldn't do any worse than Wynne no matter who you elect.
Paul Weston ·
Given that my cat could have run this province as well as Wynnebag - it's ripe for the plucking. And on that line, at this point ? My cat could probably beat wynnebag - so any of the above should suffice other than the baggage laden Ford - another circus we could live without....
Bobbi Tylor ·
I'm sick and tired of celebrity politicians who have learned how to fool us all by acting out a part. We need leaders who govern for the people. We are not just your audience applauding your performance. This is real life!!!
Mike Cameron
“We need leaders who govern for the people.” Poor thing doesn’t understand Canadian politics. In democracies that don’t have a monarch like a king or queen you are citizens. Here in Canada you are subjects, which mean you abdicate your rights to allow those in power to make all the hard decisions for you. The politicians answer to their party not the people -- except at election time.
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Michael MacLeod
Mike Cameron Considering how the shithole to the south treats its citizens I'd prefer to be a subject of the Crown, thanks.
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Keith Goodberry
I’m a small ‘c’ conservative. NO MORE NEPOTISM!! We’re dealing with one in the PM’s position and look how that’s working out for Canada! The only tho
In going for her is her daddy’s name. Can we not find someone else or is the Conservative party bereft of good candidates? I’m anyone but a Mulroon
In going for her is her daddy’s name. Can we not find someone else or is the Conservative party bereft of good candidates? I’m anyone but a Mulroon
Alla Linetsky ·
Works at Concrete Elegance Inc.
Actually, her dad's name is holding her back. Without it, people would look at her education and business experience and not question her abilities just because of her father.
Kris Kennedy
Alla Linetsky If she was considering a leadership run as Caroline Lapham, her married name, any idea of her candidacy would be dismissed as a joke outright.
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Linda Bonner Duval
Is her dad not working for Trudeau !!! Don't tell me the conservatives are getting like the liberals just putting women in office because Trudeau says so not because they deserve it !!! I will vote for the most competant candidate not just any woman .. we need to hear all the agendas both male and female!!!
Phillip Grimison
The fix is in - Mulroony Sr. has given the Brown and Dykstra information to his leftist friends at CTV, has told Fideli and McLeod to get lost and wait for it - told his daughter to ramp up her efforts. The only sticking point is Ford, whom I doubt is the type to be told to get out of the way. He has principles, the Mulroney clan has not.
Norman Fowler
Is it too much to expect someone who could become the Premier to have actually been elected to something?
Ben d'Avernas ·
Works at Self-employed
Ms. Mulroney has name recognition & that is an asset for most voters & because of the short timeline to the election, she might be the only one that can give the party a fighting chance.
Mike Johnston
WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THE RELATIVE OF A FORMER PRESIDENT OR PM IS A GOOD IDEA?!?!??!!! It is nepotism. Get it? Here is a short list....George W, Jeb, Hillary, Michelle O, Of and can we forget........
Justin
Snap out of it. If we wanted kings and queens we would have set it up that way.
Justin
Snap out of it. If we wanted kings and queens we would have set it up that way.
Bruce Stanley ·
We need a Mike Harris version of cutting costs and taxes while creating real Jobs. Realistically, Ontario can't be saved so it's all completely irrelevant. Our taxes can't be dropped because of Wynne's debt, energy costs can't be reduced because of the long term deals Wynne locked us into and Trump's tax cuts ensure Ontario's role will be little more than hewers of water, paper shufflers and hamburg flippers. Thanks Liberals thanks Toronto.
Michael MacLeod
You're welcome, drone. But don't worry. We can save a fortune cutting benefits to you and your creaky old cohorts. We should really be running the province like a business, and business eliminates the dead weight. That would be.... you, and most of your cohort.
I look forward to not paying for your next hip replacement.
I look forward to not paying for your next hip replacement.
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Bob Garagan ·
Works at Retired
Why not ... Quebec runs the show anyway so we might as well have a Quebecor at the helm in Ontario. Somehow I doubt the average voter will even care ... or know.
John Goedike ·
Maybe her Father can finance her campaign? All he has to do is visit one of his old friends in a NYC Hotel and come back with bags of money. You are who you hang with.
Jamie Duckett ·
I hope Caroline or Christine Elliott run for the leadership of the party. Anything is better than the Doug Ford gong show.
Kris Kennedy
Well there is nothing inherently wrong with people running whose family has been prominent in politics before but if the ONLY qualification is a surname then the answer is no.
I mean fat little Mikey Ford has no business at City Hall and is only there having ridden the corpse of his dead uncle in office. Otherwise what's his life experience? Nothing.
Trudeau was a drama teacher and ski instructor before and we are seeing the depths of that incompetence.
Mulroney may have been a successful boardroom lawyer but she is out of her depth in the combative gladiatorial arena that this election will be. People pushing her candidacy need to give their heads a shake. Even Trudeau had a few years of experience as an MP before he sought the Liberal leadership.
As for Doug Ford he is also trying to ride his brother's corpse into whatever elected office will have him. He's about as interesting as watching paint dry with the personality of an iguana.
I mean fat little Mikey Ford has no business at City Hall and is only there having ridden the corpse of his dead uncle in office. Otherwise what's his life experience? Nothing.
Trudeau was a drama teacher and ski instructor before and we are seeing the depths of that incompetence.
Mulroney may have been a successful boardroom lawyer but she is out of her depth in the combative gladiatorial arena that this election will be. People pushing her candidacy need to give their heads a shake. Even Trudeau had a few years of experience as an MP before he sought the Liberal leadership.
As for Doug Ford he is also trying to ride his brother's corpse into whatever elected office will have him. He's about as interesting as watching paint dry with the personality of an iguana.
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Bob Beatty ·
Arguably, the IKEA Monkey would make a more competent Ontario Tory leader than Ford OR Mulroney. He'll be best dressed candidate too, Bring on the furry one in the fur coat!
Bob Beatty ·
Unlike Ms. M., who has never held any elected political office, Trudeau was a Liberal MP for years before becoming party leader and then PM. Who's the inexperienced one again? And since Trudeau and his gov't remain much more popular than the Tories, the party did not err by making him leader, and voters do not have "voter remorse" for having elected him. What 's on Mulroney's resume? She's a lawyer, a Mom, and made a good MC at some Party event. It's laughable that should be adequate to qualify her to lead a provincial political party.
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Kris Kennedy
At the end of the day what is Mulroney's political experience? She has absolutely none and is untested in political debate when up against the likes of Wynne and Howarth who could very easily wax the floor with her. I really don't understand what the big appeal here is beyond the fact she's a fresh face. She has never given an interview since being nominated a candidate and in fact her public appearances are pretty much nil. With such a dearth of information to go on beyond a mere resume anyone crazy enough to suggest she is leadership material right now needs to give their head a shake.
By all means if she wishes to contest the race to replace Brown she should do it for the experience alone but let's not delude ourselves into thinking she is some panacea because she isnt
By all means if she wishes to contest the race to replace Brown she should do it for the experience alone but let's not delude ourselves into thinking she is some panacea because she isnt
Bruce Stanley ·
Anyone but Wynne and no one is stupid enough to vote NDP. She brings a great deal when you compare her, or anyone , to Wynne's record. It really isn't that tough.
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Kris Kennedy
Bruce Stanley You know Bruce sometimes I have to wonder what planet you're on. All the talk I read here of electing a three legged dog as PC leader being preferable to Wynne or Howarth is downright silly and stupid.
The notion that some inexperienced individual who has never served a day of their life in government somehow will result in a great success compared to the alternative is absurd. I want to see the Liberals gone as much as you do but not at the cost of just anybody leading this wreckage who would bring more problems (Ford) than its worth and wouldn't have the first clue (Mulroney) on what they would if elected and is only gliding along on her old man's surname.
It's time for serious people in this game and not just anyone who fancies themselves as leader for self-aggrandizing purposes.
The notion that some inexperienced individual who has never served a day of their life in government somehow will result in a great success compared to the alternative is absurd. I want to see the Liberals gone as much as you do but not at the cost of just anybody leading this wreckage who would bring more problems (Ford) than its worth and wouldn't have the first clue (Mulroney) on what they would if elected and is only gliding along on her old man's surname.
It's time for serious people in this game and not just anyone who fancies themselves as leader for self-aggrandizing purposes.
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Bruce Stanley ·
Kris Kennedy Good God pay attention and untouched 15 point lead with no leader after a sex assault mess. I agree about Ford or Mulroney but any half assed Conservatuve SHOULD win. I believe the Provincial Cons are following the US Republican party as the "stupid" party, they constantly grab failure out of the jaws of success. In this case I think Wynne has gotten so rotten it matters little "who" as much as "how soon."
Kris Kennedy
Bruce Stanley BFD. This party has blown 15-20 point leads in the past. That plus 15 can easily go negative 15 if you choose a blowhard like Ford or some clueless carpetbagger like Mulroney.
Neil McGaghey ·
Caroline Mulroney is the daughter of a lying, cheating thief. Do we need another Mulroney in any type of power in Canada??! Like father like daughter scenario!!
John Sheridan
I wonder what 'Frank' (magazine) would have to say about that? Hopefully they'd exercise some etiquette.
Matt Atkinson ·
That was a low blow, and uncalled for. You know that was horrible at the time, and it still is today.
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Marc Carvalho ·
Yes! please! Seriously PC's, just give me a candidate worth voting for. (ie not Doug Ford) I really really want to vote for you but not if you give me a terrible option.
Donna Marie
At this point it does not matter who it is. NO ONE would be as bad as Wynne.
Russell Clark ·
Works at Retired
Boys and girls of OnCon land, don’t forget there’s Dougie Ford who’s eager to lead you out of the wilderness. How could you go wrong with this guy? Even those who don’t appear to be thrilled with political dynasties, could go for him.
Mimsey Daemon ·
Funny how Ford supporters are either such massive idiots or huge liars that they don't mention how Doug Ford is part of a dynasty. His father was a member of Harris' government.
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Mike McBurney
Mimsey Daemon I think when the term dynasty is mentioned it is because Mulroney and Trudeau were both Prime Ministers. Being an MPP is not really the same.. But nice try
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Michael MacLeod
Mike McBurney Yeah, basically the Frd "dynasty" couldn't even reach that far. Their most successful politician was a fat crackhead.
Sad.
Sad.
Ivan Paul Dobren ·
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But, remarkably, it/the PC is still well-placed to win the Ontario general election in June. "
No John, it is not.
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But, remarkably, it/the PC is still well-placed to win the Ontario general election in June. "
No John, it is not.
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Darshan Maharaja ·
Works at Self-employed
I think most analysts haven't caught on to the fact that the ground has shifted. A seismic shift, if you will.
I guess this is how you end up having the 'no one could have foreseen this outcome' moments after elections.
I guess this is how you end up having the 'no one could have foreseen this outcome' moments after elections.
Bob Evans
Ivan Paul Dobren i can't see the Liberals winning. Unless somebofdy messes up in a true moment of brilliance like the one Trudeau showed with the Rosmarie Barton question over his ethical violations. Nothing worse than to see a person focused on ceremonial dutiescompletely lose his script and reveal a lack of intelligence
Rob Statham ·
Works at The Drunken Grape
We know how the last famous surname is working out. Not very well. It seems that she has much better credentials though.
Tim Scanlon ·
Someone who thinks a young woman is just going to let her dad pull the strings must not have a daughter. My 24 year old and I talk but she definitely makes her own decisions.
Matt Van'Heusen ·
Here's how much I care for her and the "behind-the-scenes" team working to guarantee her a leadership role:
Bruce Ranta ·
I don't want a Progressive Conservative. I want a Conservative. I'm done with 'progressives '.
Mike Stirton ·
No thanks. I reject legacy placeholders who run on their daddy's name.
Come to think of it, I voted Liberal because of HIM...of course, it was the last time I voted Liberal after that. Chretien made a lot of promises and NEVER kept them. Much like Junior Trudashian, lots of great promises, reneged.
Come to think of it, I voted Liberal because of HIM...of course, it was the last time I voted Liberal after that. Chretien made a lot of promises and NEVER kept them. Much like Junior Trudashian, lots of great promises, reneged.
Ken Zimmerman ·
There are at least two other women with far more experience & could do a better job
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Charles Walsh
Just as the Cons had a golden opportunity the first time, they chose to shoot themselves in the foot by selecting Mr. Brown. Appears now that they're reloading.
Ivan Paul Dobren ·
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“Here's what Caroline Mulroney brings to the party, if she runs for Ontario PC leader”
"She did not come back for you”……that’s what Caroline Mulroney brings to the party. That’s what Harper did to Mr Ignatieff and that is exactly what Ms Wynne will do to Ms Mulroney. Over and over and over......and over
Ms Mulroney is “not ready”…….did you hear that one? You WILL hear it again. You can bet on it. Courtesy of Ms Wynne and the Ontario Liberals
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“Here's what Caroline Mulroney brings to the party, if she runs for Ontario PC leader”
"She did not come back for you”……that’s what Caroline Mulroney brings to the party. That’s what Harper did to Mr Ignatieff and that is exactly what Ms Wynne will do to Ms Mulroney. Over and over and over......and over
Ms Mulroney is “not ready”…….did you hear that one? You WILL hear it again. You can bet on it. Courtesy of Ms Wynne and the Ontario Liberals
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Phillip Wooster ·
We know that the Conservatives were wrong in the past federal election in saying that Trudeau was not ready. The problem is that Trudeau is just not competent--not then, not now, not ever. Style over substance.
Is Caroline Mulroney not ready? She certainly lacks political experience but given how the school trustee and the Dauphin are screwing up, is that a bad thing? A fresh face with some intellectual and leadership gravitas--I'd vote for her.
Is Caroline Mulroney not ready? She certainly lacks political experience but given how the school trustee and the Dauphin are screwing up, is that a bad thing? A fresh face with some intellectual and leadership gravitas--I'd vote for her.
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Mike McBurney
Phillip Wooster So if they weren't ready do you really want more of the same with Mulroney. Think about that for a second.
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Prosper Theroux
We already have the son of one fool all we need is another fool of another brand of fool !
James McQuillan ·
Works at RCMP Heritage Centre
I wish her all the luck in the world but Ontario needs a fighter.
Alan Fournier ·
The birth of another political dynasty. What the hell goes on? What has happened to democracy. Neither she, or Justin are their parents and neither have any experience.
Mike Cameron
Just saying that when you are tossing water on the wicked witch of the west it matters not who holds the bucket…
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Robert MacKenzie ·
Not ready yet. Needs some MPP time first. Perhaps a few years down the road.
Elwood Lowe ·
Whom ever is going to be the next Premier of this bankrupt basket case-without the basket is going to be very unpopular when they begin to fix the mess left by years of Liberal rule. Hydro rates have driven away businesses and government cannot continue to offer subsidies, maiking Ontari-owe the most expensive jurisdiction for hydro in North America. The mooches and dead beats will revolt when governemnt cuts benefits they can no longer afford and the tax rates will begin to rival Newfoundland's.
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Michael MacLeod
Uh... hate to tell you hillbilly but Ontario is doing WAY better then your dump of a province. Business is pouring into Ontario, particularly the cities. Toronto has more construction happening then any other city in the Western hemisphere.
Stick to manufacturing meth and moonshine.
Stick to manufacturing meth and moonshine.
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Kris Kennedy
Manitoba is a shithole and your Pallister spends more time in Costa Rica than he does in his own backyard. Goes to show how little concern he has for Manitoba's well-being which speaks quite negatively to conservatism actually.
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David Wood ·
Mulrooney could possibly sway me to vote PC, but the best choice is Christine Elliot by far.
Sybil Brodie ·
More Brown crap with her so no thank you.
Josh Brodie ·
A better leader would have been chosen if Patrick hadn't been pushed so hard in the first place
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Mike Anderson
Let’s choose an inexperienced leader based on name recognition and celebrity. Offspring of a former PM from Quebec. I mean what could possibly go wrong???
Kris Kennedy
OR someone who has spent most of their adult life in a foreign country with very little awareness of the public issues here only to come back with the expectation they should be able to roll into political leadership positions without question. Arrogance at its finest.
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Mike Anderson
Kris Kennedy OR marinated for years in the Marxist stew of universities
David Hazell ·
Oh you must stop! Christine Elliot is the only rational choice now.
Gertrude Taylor
I agree - she's got my hypothetical vote. She's smart and has real world political experience. Why they didn't choose her in the first place is a mystery to me.
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Reinald Lakeit
NOOOO The last Mulroney took bribes and should be in jail.....
Bruce Stanley ·
No he didn't, that was after he left politics and he was never charged. Jr has 4 ethics violations one being a criminal act.
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Michael MacLeod
Bruce Stanley You realize "no he didn't" and "That was after he left politics" are mutually contractictory statements, right drone?
See, it's that kind of thing education teaches a person. You should try it out.
See, it's that kind of thing education teaches a person. You should try it out.
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Gerry Best ·
Douggie Douggie .he is the only one to take Whynne out lol.......
Mike McBurney
He actually is. Ford is the only one that can syphon votes off of the liberals in Toronto.. He won 20 of 44 ridings in the last Mayoral election. If those votes transfer to him in the provincial election this would be a huge blow to Wynne.
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Michael MacLeod
Mike McBurney You think the people who voted for Ford in the mayoral race also voted for Wynne in the last election?
That's hilarious.
Druggie one exactly one thing, and that's his brother's old seat. I do kind of want to see him win the leadership, it'll destroy the Tories for another election cycle.
That's hilarious.
Druggie one exactly one thing, and that's his brother's old seat. I do kind of want to see him win the leadership, it'll destroy the Tories for another election cycle.
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Bert Landeaux
Brown actually put together a balanced platform, and was considered reasonably costed by former Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page. Someone like Mulroney or Elliott could pick up this platform, make a few tweaks and promote it. Fedeli would be a fine deputy leader / adviser to compensate for Mulroney's lack of political experience or to bring Elliot back up to speed. Need an alternative to Ford, who will likely propose cuts that are too drastic (look how well that worked for Hudak).
Kris Kennedy
If you want a serious contender for leader who would actually know what they're doing then Elliot is the only choice here. The way you describe it with Mulroney is just someone who would have their strings pulled by Fedeli and others because she doesn't have the first clue about government. Sorry, but we don't need a puppet/muppet running the show.
Brian Boru ·
Kris Kennedy She was smart enough to accept a liberal position when offered. Smarter than most Tories that one.
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Kris Kennedy
Brian Boru She was smart enough to leave the party when she did perhaps seeing that Brown was a disaster in the making but probably not for the reasons that have unfolded.
Brian Boru ·
As long as she doesn't make any of those brown bag delicious pasta deals!
Terry Butryn ·
A stuffed animal would be better than Wymer.
Ivan Paul Dobren ·
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The Ontario PC's don't have a stuffed animal. As a matter of fact, they don't have much of anything.
Oh well................
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The Ontario PC's don't have a stuffed animal. As a matter of fact, they don't have much of anything.
Oh well................
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Ivan Paul Dobren ·
Daniel Belliveau
Well, your options are not enviable. It's either a "dildo with a happy face drawn" or Ms Wynne.
Take you pick.
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Well, your options are not enviable. It's either a "dildo with a happy face drawn" or Ms Wynne.
Take you pick.
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Reply · 17h
Michael MacLeod
Ivan Paul Dobren "Dildo with a happy face" just got fired from his job leading the PCs.
Doug Pringle ·
Tell me, why are just about all the news people pushing for her to run?
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Doug Pringle
The fix is in. Alot here that doesn't pass the smell test. The Conservative Party has been infiltrated and become corrupt like the other parties. Mark my words they will put the globalist mulroney in the leadership position. How many brown envelopes did this involve?
The fix is in. Alot here that doesn't pass the smell test. The Conservative Party has been infiltrated and become corrupt like the other parties. Mark my words they will put the globalist mulroney in the leadership position. How many brown envelopes did this involve?
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Francis Hennig ·
If she gets the nomination i will vote for Wynne. And im a conservative. No more cronies.
Kris Kennedy
Bruce Stanley Stop calling Wynne a criminal. Do you even have the first clue what you're talking about you meathead? The woman has never been accused of a crime directly let alone convicted. Just because you don't like her policies doesn't mean you can label people in this fashion you fascist swine.
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George Fast ·
Anyone but Liberals would be good to start with provincially then go federal
Gary Evans ·
I will be voting PC regardless who the leader is - but she's hot ! Oops is that sexual misconduct ??
Jaime Graves ·
Well, if Ms Elliott doesn’t enter the race, I kinda think Ms Mulroney has the best chance of taking it if she declares her intention. The PC want a woman . That’s pretty apparent today by Vics actions???
Allan Mackenzie
She isnt a boomer and isnt a ontarian politician. 2 things going for her
Gerald Dwyer ·
Works at Retired
Caroline Mulroney would be a fantastic leader and would win. I believe it it's Ford, Wynne would win.
Jean-Louis Houde ·
She should run for Canadian priminister against our Justing Trudeau
Linda Guergis ·
Certainly is a zillion complaints but not much useful information !
Mark Dandeno ·
I will never vote for a "personality".
Clement Parsons
She has the advantage of not being Brutus McLeod or Cassius Fedeli
Rick Man ·
She doesnt have a clue as what to do just like the idiot runing/ruing Canada now. Say NO to her before it goes any further.
Michael O'Kane ·
Why wouldn’t they have whatever they want or need are they not the emperors of Canada ?
Mike Stevenson
Ahhh Yes, just like the newest media crop of drop dead gorgeous weather girls, now the only acceptable/electable politico's are drop dead gorgeous women.
#NotMeVotingForDropDeadGorgeousWomenBecausePatriarchyIsPoliticalyIncorrectJunkSocialogy
#NotMeVotingForDropDeadGorgeousWomenBecausePatriarchyIsPoliticalyIncorrectJunkSocialogy
Roy F Smith ·
Agree completely John, please, please run Sweet Caroline.
Jiri Severa ·
At the risk of being called a conservative, Caroline's kids need her mother way more than Ontario.
Ken Petkau
I thought the carbon tax was supposed to be tax neutral, not used to pay for more social programs?
Juhani Greenriver
I love armcair Cons - always dumb as a rock and never dusappoint
Eleanor Binette Evans
Wonder if she learned how to accept tax free bribe money cash like Daddy?
Bruce Stanley ·
AFTER he left politics so what EXACTLY was he being bribed for?
Christine Wheeler
does she bring brown envelopes with large amounts of cash stuffed inside?
Bonnie Miller
Trudeau does. He hands them out in the middle of the night. 10.5 million at a shot then leaves town. So does Wynne.
Ken MacDonald ·
Doug is the only one with the strength to gain control of the situation. For the Conservatives.
Matt Garis
She is 10x more qualified than turdude ever was to lead a party, and she is not Doug Ford.
Jp Gallimore
She’s a woman and won’t get #metoo’d?
Daniel Bauche ·
So the only thing she has going for her is no "thing"?
