学术采访UW-Madison的Tom Yin教授

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Tom是我的第二任博士后导师,他在三岁的时候从上海全家移民到美国。普林斯顿毕业后,在 University of Wisconsin-Madison 大学做了几十年的教授,是听力神经系统研究界的泰斗之一。

(题外话)有趣的是,我老公特别佩服Tom的母亲,西南联大的毕业生,在那个年代可以和清华北大齐名。老太太我们见过两三次,90多岁高龄,淑女与学者气质集为一身。下面这篇采访是我离开Tom实验室,自己独立后回头找他做的。

I’m very excited to have Dr. Yin here, not only because he is my former postdoc adviser, but because during the four years I worked with him, when he was overburdened with administrative duties, we never had a conversation as long as this one.
 
Fiona: Your independent research began at University of Wisconsin Madison 38 years ago. Over the years, what was the biggest change you have observed in the way people conduct research?
 
Dr. Yin: I think the biggest difference is that faculty now spend much more time writing grant proposals than I did. Of course the reason for that is the present prolonged period of tight funding compared to when I started out. Funding has usually been rather cyclical with up and down cycles but the present 5-10 year severe depression is very worrisome, especially as there is no end in sight. During most of my research career, one expected to get funded when applying to NIH. Nowadays, it seems like the hope is not to be triaged! As a consequence I only wrote about 10 grant proposals during that 38 year period. Nowadays, PIs are writing that many proposals in 2 or 3 years!! I couldn’t possibly come up so many ideas for grants.
 
Fiona: As a young investigator, I totally agree. If the overall funding situation remains, could you think of strategies the government may adopt to ease up the competition?
 
Dr. Yin: One of the irritating aspects of present NIH funding is that there are quite a few very large laboratories that have multiple NIH grants. I personally know several labs with 8 and 9 R01 grants. I believe NIH is now implementing a policy to prevent this from happening, but I would strongly recommend that some reasonable cap (two or three) be implemented on the number of NIH grants to any given P.I. Obviously some policy on collaborative grants needs to be included in such a rule.
 
Fiona: Your lab is stuffed with equipment my age. Are there advantages of using primitive electronics over the fancy ones made more recently?
 
Dr. Yin: No, I just have a difficult time throwing anything away so the old equipment stays in the lab.
 
Fiona: Really? I thought there were old-equipment magic. At the moment, what is the biggest obstacle in the auditory research that hinders further advancement of the field? In other words, what existing problem would you like to be solved first?
 
Dr. Yin: I think the biggest problem in brain research, not just auditory, is to understand how the nervous system integrates information from individual neurons to produce perception, action, decisions, and other higher order functions. We now know a lot about how individual neurons respond to different stimuli or to produce different actions, and under different behavioral conditions but we understand very little about how the responses of many neurons are integrated to generate behavior. In visual research this is often referred to as the binding problem: how does the CNS take information about the shape, color, orientation, 3D form, etc. of an object which appears to be encoded by different visual areas and put it all together to give us a percept of a person running, for example.
 
Fiona: When a large department with a long history recruits new faculty, what are the major considerations people tend to have?
 
Dr. Yin: There are a number of important considerations that departments generally have when looking to hire new faculty. Among them are the following: the faculty member has a history of productive research as judged by publications during the graduate and post-doctoral years, that he/she is doing interesting and important research that has a high likelihood of getting funded in the future, sometimes departments are looking for faculty working in specific areas, indications that the faculty member will be a good colleague within the department and school with interest in collaboration with existing labs, and the faculty member will be a good mentor and teacher.

Fiona: You’ve trained more than a dozen graduate students and postdocs. Despite the escalating competition, all but two successfully landed jobs in academia. Did you only recruit students who were willing to make a commitment, or was there a secret in how you mentored them?
 
Dr. Yin: No, I don’t think I ever asked a student if they were interested in an academic career, at least not when they applied to work in the lab so this was not a way to screen potential students. I think I was lucky to find students and postdocs who were really talented and hardworking and also really liked doing science and just wanted that to be their career. Having a productive graduate and postgraduate experience also helps.
 
Fiona: I still think there has to be something more than luck. Would you like to offer some advice to young researchers in their earlier careers?
 
Dr. Yin: I always tell students who are considering a research career that the most important thing to me is that you be excited about doing research. It’s unlikely that you will become rich or famous in academia, so what has to drive you during the inevitable hard times when experiments aren’t working or funding is tight or reviewers are obstinate is the love of the science. So if you aren’t excited about coming into the lab in the morning, then try to work on a problem that will get you excited.
 
Fiona: And if we fail in the end, at least we’ve had some wonderful time. That might be too permissive. Let me put it the other way: if we are excited about what we do, we have a better chance of getting the reviewers excited. Okay, thank you so much, my mentor! I wish you a happy retirement (with still more teaching responsibilities, of course)!
阿芒 发表评论于
回复 'FionaRawson' 的评论 : 发博客里了。你会感兴趣的,嘿嘿。
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '阿芒' 的评论 : 阿芒好,这里高学历的好多:)等你发文!
阿芒 发表评论于
有书香儒雅之气的老太太特别有魅力,我的导师也是个老太太,也特别有风度。
阿芒 发表评论于
高妹一定是我们这里学历最高的,博士后啊,厉害厉害!怪不得英文也都读的原著。
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '南瓜苏' 的评论 : 对,他这个人说话是“真学者”的感觉。老一辈较多,现在好像不多见了,都很浮躁,唉。
南瓜苏 发表评论于
尊师温文儒雅,大师气派。西南联大,了不起,书香世界。
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '悉采心' 的评论 : 画墙?妈呀,采心真是好母亲!我家的已经初中高中了,现在是每天抱着电脑和手机,其他的事让干都不干了:)
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '望沙' 的评论 : 沙沙女儿看来是公司的中流砥柱,无需担心。确实是一代比一代更加不好预测啊,不过咱们的子女已经在起跑线上超过大部分完全不管孩子的西方父母了,西方人就是一直以来资源来优越,没有华人一代移民那种危机感。
悉采心 发表评论于
回复 'FionaRawson' 的评论 :

容我慢慢写来啊————期待着:))
悉采心 发表评论于

难怪高妹鬼怪精灵,文理通吃,原来是名师出高徒啊!

刚看到高妹上次的回复。。。恭喜高妹买房后的乔迁之喜!别的好处不说,两个小家伙可以在自己房间的墙上随便涂鸦了。俺当初就是让俺家俩娃、这么庆祝入住新家的,哈哈:))
望沙 发表评论于
回复 'FionaRawson' 的评论 :女儿老板高中发家,大学就成立了自己的公司。所以卷也是相对的,如果是天才风口北美的环境还是比国内多和容易,也不存在所谓的卷,只是打工的不容易,我老了是被时代淘汰出局的人了。电子的世界,孩子们都是在电化环境中成长起来的,不一样了。
望沙 发表评论于
回复 'FionaRawson' 的评论 : 反正现在乱世到处卷,现在新的ai技术出来了,chstgpt4更新,高科技产业都风声鹤唳,年轻人很多人都要失业了,女儿公司前面裁了70%,剩余的人才稍喘口气,说上个月有些好消息,有心情吃喝玩乐了,现在新技术又公布了,这个新年他们又不好过了,当时他们老板公司有谷歌收购,价钱不错,老板没卖,现在看,没法说,也许赌对了。她老板非常年轻,就是高中靠数字货币发家成为亿万富豪,现在没有人哭哈哈搞基础研究了,风口浪尖产业都是互联网,数字化产品。时代变了。
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '可能成功的P' 的评论 : 美国其实这些年被印度和中国的一些学者给“卷”成了这个样的,唉。但是国内更糟,容我慢慢写来啊(星级)
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '望沙' 的评论 : 你说得真好!我也觉得是那种当学者、当道长都一副德高望重的感觉啊,呵呵。
可能成功的P 发表评论于
高妹高能!
导师真的向沙沙讲的那样,面相不俗:)
美国(也许是世界)过于被资本牵着鼻子走。基础研究被资金逼到了角落里。大量人才流失。想想就令人难过。这种环境下还能守住清贫一心问学的,无论是导师还是学生都十分可贵。
望沙 发表评论于
回复 'FionaRawson' 的评论 : 也属于地山谦,并且这个山还很高:)
望沙 发表评论于
回复 'FionaRawson' 的评论 : 看你导师面相,有些仙气啊,如果穿上仙袍会特别有味道,鼻子是他的基业,非常饱满发达,脸上中下三庭也是饱满,
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '邵丰慧' 的评论 : 谢谢丰慧鼓励啊,我每天确实是忙得团团转:)经常上一件事和下一件事,之间只有五分钟的喘息:)上厕所是一定要抱着电脑去写的,不过其实呢,好多不忙的也是大部分时间花在了手机聊天短视频上,还不如写作是吧?呵呵
邵丰慧 发表评论于
a young investigator!-- impressive. how do you manage all of these, work as an investigator, writing two novels at the same time,...
So if you aren’t excited about coming into the lab in the morning, then try to work on a problem that will get you excited.-- applies to every job.
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '望沙' 的评论 : 沙沙老公也是书香世家啊!是我导师的母亲,我老公的母亲(我婆婆)没啥文化,嘿嘿。

那个年代的高材生和咱们现在就是不同,他们是一眼看去就特别有那种学者文人的姿态。现在的教育太“实用”。



望沙 发表评论于
回复 '菲儿天地' 的评论 : +1000
望沙 发表评论于
我都怀疑我公公和你老公的母亲是校友,不过公公去世几年了,好像也是西南联大的,隔空拥抱你。
望沙 发表评论于
高妹贵了,英文的啊,拜读困难,呵呵,赞
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '新林院' 的评论 : 哦,原来如此,谢谢你的指正!
新林院 发表评论于
【西南联大的毕业生,在那个年代可以和清华北大齐名。】
更准确的说法是:西南联大在那个年代就是清华北大。
抗日战争期间,清华和北大离开北京,搬迁到云南,组成西南联大,继续教学。
抗日战争结束后,西南联大解散,清华和北大回到北京。
FionaRawson 发表评论于
回复 '菲儿天地' 的评论 : 菲儿建议很好!刚改的时候发现推荐上主页改不了了。现在的学术界除了钱就是“卷”文章,有品位的研究不多了,唉。
菲儿天地 发表评论于
赞高妹好文,你的博士导师非常棒。“think the biggest difference is that faculty now spend much more time writing grant proposals than I did.” 现在的大学教授做研究还真是要花不少时间去争取外面的研究经费。 象牙塔也不是像普通人想象的那样轻松自在。感觉学校的名字还是用英文University of Wisconsin–Madison更贴切:)
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