欧洲学者：为什么我说中国道路才能彻底解决巴以冲突？
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US is Militarizing Itself to Death, While China Emphasizes Cooperation | Jan Oberg
November 28, 2023
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so the huge miscalculation of the West
is panic decision confrontational
policies and then finding out afterwards
that oops what we did was
counterproductive and
self-destructive well it's a general
problem with Western perceptions of
conflict that you divide them into two
parties normally the good guys and the
bad guys and then you feel an urge to
say we end with this or we don't like
them or you focus on a leader on the top
whether slon and milosovic or Saddam
Hussein or whatever it is if truth is
the first victim in a war complexity is
the second victim it's hugely complex
what goes on in let's say Ukraine Russia
NATO relations involving probably 30
countries over 30 years if you take the
Palestine uh Israel if that's even the
right way to pronounce it or to describe
it I would say it involves the whole
region of the Middle East it's Iran and
Saudi Arabia and all that and the
relationships with Europe and United
States so the moment you boil it down to
say Good Guys bad guys we stand with one
you've lost it completely because the
moment you take a stand between parties
you cannot do anything constructive and
that's why it goes so madly wrong we've
now had since the UK war in Ukraine has
started this saying that this is a
Russia ukra ukine thing and Russia has
invaded an innocent country and all I
mean that has nothing to do with reality
intellectually and academically it's
lousy this is a much more complex thing
namely NATO's expansion which all
important leaders promised uh the last
president of the Soviet Union m s
gorbachov never to do I repeat this
because there's aot of lies about it's
well documented that gorbachov was
promised that if he got a United Germany
in NATO if he accepted that East Germany
at the time part of the Soviet influence
sphere into NATO NATO would not expand
the formulation was one inch now that is
what NATO countries and the Western
world and the US does not want to talk
about and therefore they focus on this
is Russia who out of the blue unprovoked
invaded an innocent Country Now what was
happening then was a very quick support
basically by everybody who believed in
that narrative to close off Russia and
say everything is Russia's fault we did
nothing wrong it was unprovoked and so
you had a black and white and very
massive reaction in favor of Ukraine
although nobody seems to have known the
complexities of Ukraine either the
ethnic ing the destruction of the
Russian language the Civil War which
killed 16,000 people over 8 years after
the US orchestrated Kuda in KF that
installed the pro Western Government so
that was a a a much more simple thing in
the minds of people because they were
told that that narrative was so simple
now if you go to the Middle
East the difference is that that is a
much older
conflict it's probably I mean it's in
that since one of the world's oldest
conflicts and that's why it's so
difficult also to heal it because those
who live in this area have never known
peace now what is a difference here is
that the Western World and particular in
the non-west or the rest knows the
Palestinian issue and the repression and
the aparte that the Palestinians have
been uh objects and victims of for so
long so people solidarity with the
Palestinians because of the overkill the
arrogant and the nuclearism of Israel in
both cases they did the the leaders of
the western world did the capital
mistake taking sides say everything is
all to Russia and everything is good in
Ukraine which none of it is true and
pumping in weapons using Ukraine to make
Russia weaker and we know why they want
to make Russia weaker because when
Russia is weaker and gone if they could
do it as a threat they can concentrate
on China so it's much more complex but
both cases they took stand I mean Madame
from theion immediately said on October
8th we Europe stands with Israel she
should never have said that it means
that she is a conflict illiterate person
and a person who does not know anything
about peacemaking we keep on arming and
I don't know how many hundred thousand
people have already died in Ukraine
because of these stupid policies it's
deeply immoral and many of these leaders
government leaders are war criminals but
they will never be
convicted yeah well I think the great
surprise for for people in the west
particular NATO and the European Union
was that they immediately without
thinking without doing any analysis of
the consequences decided this barrage of
sanctions against Russia now Russia has
not been suffering from these sanctions
but the West Europeans have been and the
US decided and that's on public both by
Madame Nan and President Biden that we
will destroy n
stream northstream is history's biggest
destruction of
infrastructure and has had huge
consequences for the economy the gas
Import in Europe cheap gas that can
cannot get in anymore and that's why
seor her's analysis of nordstream is
basically censored away in the western
world because he's probably right but
they found out that contrary to their
expectations the rest of the world 85%
of human lives under governments which
do not support that policy against
Russia like China trying to keep neutral
but others too saying well it was wrong
legally what Russia did but Russia had a
reason to do it Russia had said that it
would do it because it cannot have a
NATO member that close to its border
with longrange weapons 2 minutes flight
from Moscow now the Americans or the
French or the British would never have
accepted anything like that if they had
had their countries there where Russia
is today so the huge miscalculation of
the West is panic decision
confrontational policies and then
finding out afterwards that oops what we
did was counterproductive and
self-destructive and that's why I don't
think that anybody is basically
listening anymore to the Western World
when it comes to Israel the world knows
that this is an asymmetric conflict
where the Palestinians are the uh as
people innocent victims I'm not talking
about Hamas but the people the
Palestinian people have been innocent
victims for decades and it's time to do
something serious about it and I hope I
hope that there will be mediation by the
UN and by countries outside the West the
West cannot be a mediator in a conflict
in which it is so heavily involved
itself you cannot be a mediator and a
participator in a conflict well the long
story short is
that there's only one organization that
can do that main main organization
that's the United Nations but the long
story short is that the Western world
has done it utmost in contrast to China
to undermine the United Nations and not
follow the normative framework of the
charter we know there's a lot of
bureaucracy and inefficiency and
privilege in the UN but the charter is
your Mankind's most important single
document it's the only time where the
world's governments have signed
something that g
could have written and that was done
because we don't want war ever more now
then people say but the UN is not very
efficient and they couldn't do this and
they couldn't do that that's the wrong
way of thinking the United Nations can
never be better or
stronger than its member states want to
make it that was uttered in 1948 by its
first Secretary General the Norwegian
trick Val and it's still fundamentally
the most important thing said about the
UN if we don't as member states support
it with money clear mandates all the
things it needs our best people civilian
and Military the UN will be a porn in
the game if we don't deliberately avoid
to elect forceful Visionary secretaries
General and the last one was Kofi Anan
if we find it not important to accept
something be beyond our own nation
states we are doomed and I'm glad to sit
here in Shanghai and say China is always
very uh strongly emphasizing the
importance of the UN and its chter now
when it comes to the concrete thing in
the Middle East there's a huge mistake
made in thinking that this is an Israeli
Palestinian thing and can be solved with
that and a two-state solution everybody
now is back to a two-state solution
which we've heard about for more than 20
years now I wonder whether we should not
expand it to the Middle East as a whole
region and say how can we put together
the Middle East in a way that everybody
would benefit that it would be a winwin
for all Middle Eastern countries Iran
Saudi Arabia Syria what have you all
these also devastated
countries in which a Palestine and an
Israel could find a way to live together
with a middle
eastern occe if you will Organization
for security and cooperation in the
Middle East a kind of economic uh
Community the more and that's the
philosophy you have in China with the
belt and Road initiative the more we tie
countries to each other economically the
less likely they are to start killing
each other so this idea focus on Israel
and Palestine and then either say Let
One swallow the other or make a
two-state solution I ask myself you make
two states next to each other with the
hatred that has spilled over decades how
do we know that a two-state solution
will not end very quickly in a war
between those two countries now if you
make a kind of security and peace
Arrangement out in the for the whole
Middle East and maybe tied in with the
European Union if it could behave itself
a little bit more
intelligently and the United Nations a
huge permanent presence of the United
Nations peacekeepers negotiators civil
Affairs and civil police people we need
desperately un missions well financed
clear mandates best people and if we
give that to the UN the UN can help the
world solve its problem but it cannot do
that with 6% of the world's military
expenditures this world is totally crazy
with its priorities it's imbalance
between militarism weapons weapons
weapons and almost no money for the
United Nations don't ever complain about
the United Nations but look at what your
own country does economically
politically in terms of legitimacy to
make the United Nations a strong
organization all the member states that
might be more degrees different degrees
all the member states are still living
in the outdated world of nation states
my government is the most important I
have National interest
no intelligent government leaders today
know that they have global common
interest not National interest we all
have to give something of our own
priorities before we can solve
Humanity's very important problems
together and there's no future if we
cannot work
together
