评论: 选票被机器篡改?伪造选票?美大选阴谋论层出不穷

只有登录用户才能发表评论,点击此处登录    返回新闻帖
Headwater 发表评论于 2024-10-24 11:21:44
机器就是用来篡改的。
来春去冬 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:45:07
民主党为什么要拼命维护、发明每一个容易作弊的选举规则?????美国没钱免费给贫困的人提供身份证吗?不能把大选日定为法定假日吗?大科技公司如微软都被黑客攻陷过,为什么一定要用投票机数票?不干违法违规事,为什么怕有人监督?

印尼基本国情是:选民2.05亿人,1.7万个岛,东西长5 5 00多公里。选民和美国差不多;交通是在由1.7万个岛屿组成的,长5500公里的国土内水陆交错而行;气候高温潮湿;除选正副总统外还要从25万人中选出2万人,选举人数庞大。但是印尼采用了1)当场合对身份,2)纸质选票,3)人工计票,4)6小时内完成投票,5)24小时内数出结果。

台湾选民跟美国人最多的加州差不多,也是1)当场合对身份,2)纸质选票,3)人工计票,4)当天投票,5)选举结束后3小时内出结果。
harryyf 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:42:00
我一直认为美国总统大选制度是公平公开公正的.县一级的制度健全开票有两党监护.选票出现读票错误是正常的,但不会是大规模造假.县一级的官员不会不顾自己饭碗来帮你总统候选人加票.串通更不可能,太多人是不能保守秘密的.从2020年多宗举报选举作弊案就知道了.
Educator 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:41:22
学生考试选错了题,然后抱怨说自己没有选这个答案,是答题纸印错了。
seator 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:35:00
关键问题是既然共和党是在造谣,为啥民主党不帮着严格控制选民身份和计票给他们一个响亮耳光呢?多好的机会啊
Idado 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:30:00
哦还有进考场不得查学生证
Idado 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:28:00
就像高考,如果用机器代替老师监考,严禁查小抄….却宣称绝对没有作弊学生,说作弊就是阴谋论。这是拿人全当智障么?
Idado 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:26:00
计票机根本没必要,引入它就是一件非常可疑的事!不在当天出结果,也是一件可疑的事。更别说不查ID。有了那么多利于舞弊的东西,却宣称操作者大公无私,品格可靠,绝对不会舞弊……很难有说服力
蓝靛厂 发表评论于 2024-10-24 09:10:44
我个人认为不存在阴谋,20年民主党胜选基本上就是个阳谋,就是邮寄选票。在注册选民没有大幅增加的情况下20年投票率远远远大于12年16年投票率。20年川普得到了历史上寻求连任的总统得到的最高数(74M),而拜登的得票数(81M)比当年奥巴马连任(65.9M)和希拉里败选(65.8M)多了20%+,按照这个得票数拜登才是那个天选之子,百年难遇,众望所归。然后拜登在奥巴马手里当了八年碎催毫无存在感16年吃肉也没轮上他。
民主党借着疫情的原因无差别海量发送邮寄选票,本来一个无所事事的青年也没注册在家正看谍打游戏呐突然一张选票就通过邮局砸到他头上了,更同学老师们大概问了下,填个白宫继续打游戏。基本上就是这么个情况
nobear 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:49:03
这个是胡扯的. 一个可能是人笨自己搞错怪机器. 另一个可能是故意搞错来抹黑机器.
笨人不会用机器的人多了去了. 所以第一个可能性最大
北美zhyj_100 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:36:36
极端共和党的无赖已到了无可救药的地步。就像当年纳粹分子接着德国社会面临的困难而推出了希特勒一样,必然会增加重蹈独裁治国的风险。美国当前面临的问题是很多,但是许多问题都是几十年来民主共和两党把党派利益置于国家和人民利益之上而造成的。幻想利用独裁者激进式的一夜之间就要改变美国现状人,后果会大失所望,甚至也会让美国几百年来建立起来的宪法治国的民主制度千疮百孔,给后代留下祸根。
无名2024 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:35:14
有一说一。2020年Dominion机器有关的争执是有记录的。网上都有。Fox为造谣赔了$7.8亿裁了Tuck Carson了事。还想要借此生事的,就别投票了反正您信对手会作弊。

如果有别的作弊证据快去FBI。如果确认是有刑期联邦罪。在WXC叨叨没用。
来春去冬 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:24:37
1)如楼下说文章只说没证据说是投票机有问题,但事实是同样也没证据表明是人为操作失误,所以作者是什么逻辑推导出这就是阴谋论,而不是就是投票机有猫腻呢?

2)原文:“ 他经常在网上与密歇根州州务卿乔斯林·本森 (Jocelyn Benson)争执不休。最近,两人因马斯克声称密歇根州的登记选民人数多于有资格投票的人数而发生争执。本森说,马斯克的统计数字包括了那些将被剔除的不活跃选民。周二,一名联邦法官驳回了共和党全国委员会提起的诉讼,该诉讼称该州的选民名单存在问题”。
a. 根据原文马斯克说的是对的。
b. 为什么还有十几天就选举了,至今还有多至120万不活跃选民没被剔除?如果共和党不提告,这些会被剔除吗?20年大选密州基本没剔除,投票率都高到让人不可信的高度,甚至个别地区选票多于登记选民数。大家还记得吧?

指质共和党人怀疑选举诚信,可是民主党为什么要拼命维护、发明每一个容易作弊的选举规则?????
Bhistory 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:11:01
注意JGM的话

局面从媒体上读是一个样,事实是另一个样

Media = Vitual reality (each article created by money behind it)
Bhistory 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:09:08
PART 3

Something significant will take place in Virginia that will shock this nation.

Intel leaks are about to be revealed on a major scale. Your own govt has been feeding your enemies for years and it’s all about to come out in the open.

Whitewater…this word will be in your news and everything hidden is about to explode everywhere. All your enemy’s crimes they have buried are about to come to the surface.

Secret files, classified documents and redacted information it’s all coming like a freight train barrelling down the tracks with no way of stopping it. My children get ready for a scandal after scandal and corruption to be uncovered like never before. Unprecedented secrets are coming out to release you out of the hands of the oppressors and it will bring them to nothing says the Lord Your Redeemer.
Bhistory 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:07:53
PART 2

Things will seem one way when they are not that way at all. My children your enemies have plans to stage things that are a lie. Don’t fall for their traps and their tricks. They will try their own insurrection in a major way. They will try anything they can to stop My nation from moving forward.

Pray over your House and your Senate seats. Your enemies have plans to steal and control both to hold My David off of what he could truly do against them. But their plan of election interference and election fraud will implode because there’s a tsunami wave coming that will annihilate any wall they can put up to keep My David from having that White House. The plans and strategies of your enemies will disintegrate with one move of My hand to protect this land says the Lord.

Chuck Schumer and many Establishment leaders are about to eat Humble Pie you would say, once they realize all their plans just imploded in front of their face. They won’t have another plan to fall back on without taking steps they never wanted to take which would cause a political suicide, but they will take them anyway out of the desperate attempts they will try and make more will be removed including every election that was stolen for those specific seats.

I’ll remind you My children not just to pray over the presidential seat. You need to pray over every state and federal seat. Because if your enemies can’t win one way they’ll try others. Every seat they attempt to steal, it will be thrown out and a new election will take place for some and others it will be given to the ones that it belongs to.

My children a great political shift is taking place that you are seeing but it’s not without a shaking. It’s not without a fight. It’s not without it looker darker. Stand strong on My Words. You were born for this time. You were born for this fight and this battle to win it because the Battle is the Lord’s and this battle has been won says the Lord of Hosts.
Bhistory 发表评论于 2024-10-24 08:04:36
rumble. com/v5jx7ad-live-with-julie.html?start=494
The Biden and Obama Regimes are Imploding
[Word heard – October 23, 2024]

My children for I the Lord am disintegrating your enemies blue wall. I am bringing down any wall, any establishment stronghold, any agency, any govt secret, the wall of corruption with their so-called judicial system that kept the truth at bay from destroying their plans. I told you a flood was coming – a flood of truth that will knock down any structure that once protected your enemies in keeping them in Washington and leading this nation against Me.

Their campaign and every strategy are collapsing. The Biden and Obama’s regimes are imploding. Many are running from the sinking ship of the Establishment before it’s too late. Many are running toward My David for rescue from possible political death or prison sentence. So many in the Establishment are squealing like pigs you would say against the ones in Washington in hopes to save their careers or their lives.

My children this has only just begun of the fall of every politician against Me. Great falls and great surrenders are taking place. Just watch how many of them will make it more visible after the election is over, realizing they have no hope of survival without changing sides. Some political leaders will never give up their positions without a fight and some to the death because they’d rather die than to surrender to Me or My David. This war against My nation will soon intensify once your enemies see what will take place even before the election day that shows them there is no pathway to win. Their desperation will continue to grow and they will do more against My David, but they will do more against you also.

My United States you will see riots. You will see tensions rise. You will see tempers flare and unrest. They will try to sabotage the markets and blame My David for it. They will try more viruses or more chaos to cause more disruptions to continue the corruption. But remember who I am. I am the Alpha, the Omega, the beginning and the end. And I am the end to all their plans says the Lord.

My children, your enemy’s warfare will pick up but My hand will devour their attempts against you in this nation. The world will see that I am still the Defender of this nation and your enemies are about to lose full control over it says the Lord of Hosts.

Tactical gear…this will be in your news for a shocking reason.

Storm the Capital…this phrase will be in your news for a significant reason. There’s a set up that will take place.
京工人 发表评论于 2024-10-24 07:46:18
只有共和党不大规模作弊,大选就基本上没有什么问题
michbiz 发表评论于 2024-10-24 07:42:08
我认为机器做假的可能性不大,为那个作弊得特别编个程序又容易被查出,且肯定不会是个别出错而是会批量出错。我认为还是操作失误,触摸屏这玩意按下去的位置和实际键有时会有些区别的(比如触屏玻璃与显示按键之间有一个玻璃的厚度,会造成你眼睛看到的或手指按下去的按键位置和实际按键有点错位。不知大家在地铁售票机买票或柜员机取钱会否有过这样的选错的经历,我自己好像有过几次呢,好像是粗心、动作快的情况下会出现过这样的错误。
kankanwo 发表评论于 2024-10-24 07:26:18
2020拜登曲线全世界有目共睹,和阴谋论没有毛关系。 阳光下的罪恶。
dream_pillow 发表评论于 2024-10-24 07:19:15
如果老川赢了选举,是不是拜登也可以声称老川伪造选票?
cys254 发表评论于 2024-10-24 07:07:41
他是如何知道,如何看到“这是由于选民失误造成的”?是他站在选民背后看他投票了,还是调监控录像了?实际上他自己也承认不知道”是不是“老年人手抖按错了按钮。

是”没有证据表明机器会篡改个人选票“,但也没有证据表明机器不会会篡改个人选票啊。你不能只讲单方面的说法。

之所以美选阴谋论层出不穷就是因为选举缺乏一个有公信力的监督验证机制。阴谋论的出现是公信力缺失的结果。

-------
佐治亚州州务卿办公室首席运营官加布里埃尔·斯特林表示,到目前为止,他们看到的每一份报告都提到,有人称其打印的选票与触摸屏投票机上的选择不符,但这是由于选民失误造成的。
...
“没有证据表明机器会篡改个人选票。”他说,“是不是老年人手抖,按错了按钮,在打印选票之前没有仔细检查选票?这就是我们看到的主要情况。实际上,没有证据表明机器篡改选票。我要对某些国会议员说,这种说法在2020年是谎言,现在也是谎言。”
页次:1/1 每页50条记录, 本页显示122, 共22  分页:  [1]