六四前在天安门广场的经历:
1989年5月31日,我刚刚完成了论文答辩(严格地说,我仍然是研究生),得到了一个去天安门广场值红十字班机会,与其说是去保护占领广场的同学们,我更高兴的是能够和大家长时间的交流。
我几乎去了每一个帐篷,和几十个留守同学(如果不到100个)聊了很长时间。
结果让我很失望。
没有人知道我们要的民主和改革是什么。
没有人知道我们的行动目的是什么(当然没人认为目的是像柴某说的那样去流血!)
没有人知道什么时候就会停止占领。
没有人知道甚至想过这次运动的后果。
(American likes to say they do not know what they are doing!)
我意识到,同学们正在被什么人利用。我告诉大家我经历过文革及其以后的各个大的事件,并试图用我对共产党的了解劝说大家离开,但没人听我的(我承认我在那种场合是在冒傻气,但我尽力了)。
有一点, 虽然不再我希望的范围内,但是我理解并得到证实的:没有人要推翻共产党的领导!
很清楚,共产党自然要为天安门事件负责,但是那些令人恶心的把其支持者推去送死的学运鼓噪者(他们不配用“领导者”这个词!)更应该下地狱!
AsianTiger 发表评论于 2012-06-24 14:58:56
柴玲 was the worst person in "6.4". Because of her stupid and selfish, Chinese democracy got worse after "6.4" and Chinese economy was slowed for a few years after "6.4" with the cost of many students' life.
Even Deng Xiao Ping can say "I forgive you" to 柴玲, but not 柴玲 to Deng Xiao Ping.
The best thing for 柴玲 is to keep silient. If she wants to clean her sin, she should contribute her money to help the family who lost their son / daughter in "6.4".
To g18:
是有精神领袖,比如达赖,比如老毛,你抵制了就会有麻烦的那种。
其它的,对参加者的“工作、学习和生活”没有任何稳定(不是一天半天的)影响的统统不算。
另外,“鼓励学生留下来‘流血’”是不实指控。当时谁也不能料到中共人民子弟兵的坦克和机枪真的会扫人的,能够想到的最坏结局,顶多是被抓去劳教。开枪杀人的,才是要被谴责的。
to g18:六四是一场和平示威活动,参加者都是独立和自愿的。当时的柴玲、王丹都谈不上是常规意义上的领导。就像这里的所谓“侨领”,俺有时也参加他们的活动,如同看场演出一样,你说俺被他们“领导”了?
独立的人当然都可以跑,跑也被证明是最正确的,没必要自投中共监狱以求清白!无论如何,对民主运动人士泼脏水,实际上是对腐败体制的支持,对人民追求普世价值的漠视。
ayan 发表评论于 2012-06-24 07:28:46
politics has always been a dirty game through which the smart stand high over the others' dead bodies.
to sfer008
按照你的理论,你也不能不让作者说这些话吧?柴玲发财住豪宅,成富人,都是事实。而且,你也看得出,她富起来的原因是什么,天天媒体,议会的跑。如果单靠她的力量在美国这样富有,你觉得一个当初自己没钱的姑娘能做到么?
以她的个性,老老实实干活肯定不会成功,不靠利益集团的帮助,肯定不是她的选择。人怎么,不敢说,见机会就上,见利益就抢,肯定是她的行事作风,这不是贬义,事实通过对她的报道的感觉。
AsianTiger 发表评论于 2012-06-23 23:23:34
Students who got the Greecard in very short time, if you know how difficulty and long to get the greencard.
hugh.williams 发表评论于 2012-06-23 23:19:36
最大受益者还是官员
AsianTiger 发表评论于 2012-06-23 23:14:10
一棵草: She should be aware her sin and keeps silient. But every year she jumped out with some stupid activity.
Last year, she came out against Chinese birth control, but China has to control the birth becuase the natural resource already hits the limitation, unless you want China to be poor and everyone is hungry.
This year she stated that she forgive Deng Xiao Ping. She must request forgiveness from Chinese people, the died studens, the fmaily of the died studens. How can she forgive Deng Xiao Ping?
I was a student who participated "6.4". At later stage, the country was out of control and in chaos. If Deng hadn't taken any action, China would be much worse today.
马丁路德金也鼓励黑人绝不妥协,直到把监狱填满(五毛言论:鼓励别人做牢,自己享福。)
孙中山也曾经逃亡到美国加拿大日本(五毛言论:让别人流血,自己逃跑,
。机会主义分子)