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It appears to me that the questions raised by Runtao Yan below center on the genesis of figure 5 and the unique contributions to the transport mechanism by Dr. NiengYan’s team.

On the genesis of Figure 5. 
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At the most superficial level, figure 7 of Iancu et al. (cited by this paper) reveals that the basic scheme of figure 5 was not created out of a vacuum by the authors of this paper.    It is not surprising to see that a glucose transporter would follow the Alternate Access Model (AAM) as its principle transport mechanism.

As Forrest described in his review of the secondary active transport mechanisms, secondary transporters, MFS family proteins in particular, share this basic principle of Alternate Access.   A cursory survey of past literature, also revealed numerous papers with similar schematic depiction of the Alternating Access by MFS proteins (Dang, Forrest, Guan, Iancu, Madej, Nie) , some of which are cited by this paper.  The diagrams in some of these papers are even more detailed than Figure 5.  For example, Forrest proposed an 8-state model which includes the four state model in this paper.  It seems to me that it was common knowledge in this field at the time that MFS family member proteins carry out their transport duties through AAM, and no reasonable person would have mistakenly taken the entire Figure 5 as Dr. Nieng Yan’s own creation.   

While there are nuanced differences in transport mechanisms by different MFS proteins, the focus of current research was not whether these membrane transporters utilize alternate access mechanism but the way by which alternate access is realized in common (e.g. Rocker Switch vs Gating Pore).
   
As to the biochemical data, I believe they are from Sun 2012 as quoted in the figure legend, referring to figure 5b in particular, demonstrating the essential nature of ICH in the Figure, the importance of which is mentioned below. 

On the unique contributions by this paper.
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After a close examination of Figure 5, one would not have missed the combination of the rocker switch and the gating pore mechanisms mentioned in Forrest et al., confirming the negotiation of these two seemingly contradictory mechanisms in LeuT.   One would also not have missed the unique feature of the intracellular gate ICH of Glut 1 and XylE and possibly other MFS family 1 proteins, likely found nowhere else in the literature except Sun 2012 and this paper.   I would remiss if I did not also mention the intricate interplays of extracellular gate and ICH in directing the back and forth exchange between the inward and outward conformations of Glut1, XylE and other MFS family 1 member proteins, again would have been kept in the dark without Dr.Nieng Yan's work.  

A well trained scientist cannot fail to appreciate the detailed comparisons between uniporters and symporters, including proton coupling in the discussion, aided by the detailed structural knowledge at the molecular level rendered only by analyses of crystal structures at this time.

Let me conclude with a quote from Forrest on the importance of crystal structure in elucidating the transport mechanism: “Currently the most stimulating contribution to our understanding of secondary transport is the fast growing amount of structural data on transport proteins.  This impact is particular significant when crystal structures are available for a given transporter in different states”.      This paper has certainly made a most stimulating contribution to our understanding of the transport mechanism and more importantly, of the various diseases caused by Glut1 deficiencies, which could lead to breakthroughs in medical treatments of these diseases.   Many patients in the future might unknowingly owe tribute to this paper.   I am sure Dr Nieng Yan would not mind this innocuous omission.  
 
References
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Dang, S. et al. Structure of a fucose transporter in an outward-open conformation. Nature 467, 734–738 (2010).

Forrest et al. The structural basis of secondary active transport mechanisms Biochimica et Biophysica Acta 1807 (2011) 167–188

Guan and Kaback: Lessons from Lactose Permease. Annu Rev Biophys Biomol Struct. 2006 ; 35: 67–91.

Iancu, C. V., Zamoon, J., Woo, S. B., Aleshin, A. & Choe, J. Y. Crystal structure of a glucose/H1 symporter and its mechanismof action. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 110, 17862–17867 (2013).

Madej, M. G., Sun, L., Yan, N. & Kaback, H. R. Functional architecture of MFS D-glucose transporters. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 111, E719–E727 (2014).

Nie, Y., et al.  Energetics of Ligand-induced Conformational Flexibility in the Lactose Permease of Escherichia coli J Biol Chem. 2006 November 24; 281(47): 35779–35784

Sun, L. et al. Crystal structure of a bacterial homologue of glucose transporters GLUT1–4. Nature 490, 361–366 (2012).

Nekono_88 发表评论于
回复 'SwiperTheFox' 的评论 : 狐狸阁下,你在自然杂志的发言,是你自己删了,还是杂志把你删了?如果是自己删了,为什么?怕留下证据吗?是杂志删了,你可就臭大发了。
SwiperTheFox 发表评论于
回复 '南侠' 的评论 :

谢谢美言:)
南侠 发表评论于
写的不错。同意楼下那谁的。建议置顶。逻辑是,你不能因为中国的四大发明去告诺贝尔发奖的时候不引用你,对吧?
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回复 'SwiperTheFox' 的评论 : 你就告诉时不时来看看网友SuperFox是你的真名实姓,你没有违反自然杂志的规定发Comment,你是有诚信的人,根本就设有想要欺骗杂志和吃瓜群众的意思。看看其还有什么话好说。
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回复 '时不时来看看' 的评论 : 说不定,这只狐狸在改变国籍时就是用的现在挂在网上的全名。其没有理由用假名去欺骗自然杂志和吃瓜群众。我想其这点基本的诚信还是有的。当然,看到其的发言,可以推理其是能够理解杂志对发言者的第二条要求的。西方喜欢用狐狸作为个人、公司的名子的数不胜数,既然身在西方,入乡随俗也未必不可。就是颠三倒四,假充内行,令人百撕不得骑姐。

我觉得只是在Super和Fox之间少了一个空格而已,还不至于公然欺骗杂志和吃瓜群众吧?生活在美国这样重视诚信的社会,这点最基本的党悟还是应该有的。否则如何安身立命,生活下去。
时不时来看看 发表评论于
I do not mean to be rude, but I would revise your comment as follows.

It appears to me that the issues raised by Runtao Yan are centering on Figure 5 which demonstrates the unique contributions of Nieng Yan team to the transport mechanism of glucose through membranes.
A. On the genesis of Figure 5
Iancu et al. (cited in this paper; their Figure 7) revealed a basic scheme for Figure 5 that a glucose transporter follows the Alternate Access Model (AAM). Forrest (reference please) reviewed that active transport mechanisms by secondary transporters, in particular proteins in the MFS family, also share the basic principle of AAM. Numerous other papers (Dang, Forrest, Guan, Iancu, Madej, Nie) depicted similarly that MFS proteins follow the AAM. Some of these papers illustrated the AAM in even more details than Figure 5, for example, Forrest proposed an eight-state model which has even included the four-state model demonstrated in this paper.
It thus appears to be a common knowledge that MFS family proteins transport glucose by the AAM mechanism. Figure 5 is by no means accredited entirely to Nieng Yan team. Nevertheless, the current research has disclosed (or confirmed?) how the AAM is realized (e.g. Rocker Switch vs Gating Pore).
The biochemical data questioned by Runtao should be referred to Sun 2012, as quoted in the caption of Figure 5b. In fact, Figure 5 demonstrates the essential nature of the ICH as a unique contribution by this paper.

B. ICH is the unique contribution
A close inspection of Figure 5 indicates a combination of the rocker switch and gating pore mechanisms, as reviewed (discussed?) in Forrest et al.; it also confirms the negotiation of the two seemly contradictory mechanisms in LeuT (reference please). Figure 5 also indicates the unique feature of the intracellular gate ICH of Glut 1 and XylE, which occurs in other MFS family-1 proteins, as disclosed by Sun 2012 and this paper. The intricate interplay of the extracellular gate and ICH directs the back-forth exchange between the inward and outward conformations of Glut1, XylE and other MFS family-1 proteins.
Forrest has recognized the importance of crystal structures in elucidating the transport mechanism: “Currently the most stimulating contribution to our understanding of secondary transport is the fast growing amount of structural data on transport proteins. This impact is particular significant when crystal structures are available for a given transporter in different states”. The crystal structure in this paper has made a stimulating contribution to our understanding of the transport mechanism. It is potentially useful to attack various diseases caused by Glut1 deficiencies.
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回复 '老泉' Fanreninus 的评论 :

多谢二位美言 :)
老泉 发表评论于
写得很好。我又看了一下老阎九三年的喇叭口图,感觉有点问题。按他的图,C265先开囗朝外,然后这个残基开口朝内。是个小喇叭口。这种理解是不对或不全面。具体某一个残基,不一定开口朝内或者朝外, 而是整个区域朝内或者朝外。在这个区域中的某个残基可能不变其构象。例如老阎的C265真的能结合底物,以助转运,就可以在AAM过程中不变构象(老阎九五一文也认为domain B functions solely as a passive conduit), 那么就不一定有C265开口向外向内一事。那他九三年的小喇叭口与别人的大喇叭口有重要不同。另外老阎老板后面的文章也不说C265是重要的残基。
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这个评论写得很好,不仅英文文法优雅,信息量也大,而且非常专业,请小编把这个置顶!
Fanreninus 发表评论于
Excellent comment! Very eloquent, informative and professional. Good job! Thank you! :)
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