Dustin Hoffman, Susan George [Straw Dogs] '70 ish classic,
Straw dogs or grass dogs (simplified Chinese: 刍狗; traditional Chinese: 芻狗; pinyin: chú gǒu), figures of dogs made out of straw, were used as ceremonial objects in ancient China, as a substitute for the sacrifice of living dogs. Chú gǒu has been used figuratively to refer to anything discarded after use.[1]
Chapter 5 of the Tao Te Ching makes use of the phrase chu gou (芻狗) to compare living beings to straw dogs. This metaphor is used to explain the non-humanity (不仁 bu ren) of Heaven and Earth:[2]
However, some translators prefer to interpret this phrase as two separate words, "straw" (芻) and "dogs" (狗), rather than together, as "straw dogs" (芻狗).[3]
This verse is usually interpreted as an expression of the Taoist rejection of the principle of ren (仁), one of the Five Constant Virtues in Confucianism, variously translated as "humanity", "benevolence", "partiality", or "kind acts".[3][4] Su Zhe's commentary on the verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them."[5]
Another Taoist text, the Zhuangzi provides a more detailed description for the treatment of the straw dogs in its 14th chapter, "The Turnings of Heaven":[6]
Use as a metaphor
[edit]Tao Te Ching
[edit]| 天地不仁 以萬物為芻狗 聖人不仁 以百姓為芻狗 | Heaven and Earth are not humane. They regard all things as straw dogs. The sage is not humane. He regards all people as straw dogs.[note 1] |
This verse is usually interpreted as an expression of the Taoist rejection of the principle of ren (仁), one of the Five Constant Virtues in Confucianism, variously translated as "humanity", "benevolence", "partiality", or "kind acts".[3][4] Su Zhe's commentary on the verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them."[5]
Zhuangzi
[edit]Before the grass-dogs [芻狗 chu gou] are set forth (at the sacrifice), they are deposited in a box or basket, and wrapt up with elegantly embroidered cloths, while the representative of the dead and the officer of prayer prepare themselves by fasting to present them. After they have been set forth, however, passers-by trample on their heads and backs, and the grass-cutters take and burn them in cooking. That is all they are good for.The image of the straw dogs is again used to criticise Confucianism, as the Zhuangzi goes on to compare Confucius, in his insistence upon the ancient rites, to a fool who attempts to reconstitute the trampled straw dogs, "replace them in the box or basket", and "wrap them up with embroidered cloths".[3][4]
See also
[edit]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShOaKKBEWA8
@DoNotPushHere
8 months ago
She says she should be able to dress freely.
Yes, she should. No, she isn't.
Such is this world. And I won't say there is a correct answer. Maybe her freedom is against other people's freedom to feel offended.
Who's right then? Mostly the mainstream society has the answer, for the good of one or the other part.
If she feels strange it is because she does not abide to unspoken mainstream social rules. Whatever comes next could only be avoided by law, or punished afterwards.
@DoNotPushHere
8 months ago
She says she should be able to dress freely.
Yes, she should. No, she isn't.
Such is this world. And I won't say there is a correct answer. Maybe her freedom is against other people's freedom to feel offended.
Who's right then? Mostly the mainstream society has the answer, for the good of one or the other part.
If she feels strange it is because she does not abide to unspoken mainstream social rules. Whatever comes next could only be avoided by law, or punished afterwards.
Girl complains about people staring at her when she is wearing a clearly see-through shirt; also, girl flashes them out of spite. if you drive a flashy car, people will look at it and might try to steal it if it's not in a secure place, but they would definitely stare and take pictures of it.
Susan George and Dustin Hoffman were actually LIKABLE. Enough said.
If a person lights a fire in the middle of a room filled with petrol, fireworks and gunpowder and then leaves it unattended, they cannot be surprised when the room catches fire or explodes.
Good question: is morality for people living in a society to teach them to not light a fire, or to teach them to not (re)act as petrol, fireworks and gunpowder? Are we excused when we act like sexually frustrated cave people or even desert dwellers from 2000 years ago, because temptation or provocation was too high as compared to the baneful consequence of our actions on ourselves and on others? What is morality, if not the set of social values that regulate life in common, and a dynamic average balance of various social interactions? How a woman not wearing a bra (or even not wearing rigid cups, or even simply being curvy) is amoral? How a man openly reacting to such a woman is amoral? How a woman exhibiting nudeness in public is amoral? How a man taking excuse for this perceived amorality to run awok against all laws or morality is amoral?
@rjbmarchiac8693 Noone mentioned moral or amoral here. It's a case of reality vs fantasy land
@WebShaman01 OP was obviously speaking figuratively. And if you don't know, morality is precisely the set of social values and behaviors accepted collectively by a society over time. It is not carved in stone and evolves with society (modification of religious practice, arrival of culturally different immigrants, emergence of new fashions and systems of thought, adaptation to traumatic events, ...).
It is a matter of morality whether society considers a woman wearing a miniskirt to be inciting rape against her or whether society considers a woman wearing a bikini on a beach and allowing a stranger to take her picture to be decent.
Public decency in this case is part of the moral field. Society is not a jungle full of predators and governed by the law of the fittest. It's a community where morality regulates social interactions. Sometimes, justice is required to enforce morality on individuals who are unfit for society.
Original movie: conveys the main character's insecurities subtly, depicting his inability to handle conflict and be honest about himself Remake: has him ordered a bud light?
@anonglakmoonwicha2726 no, the substance is also different. The guy in the original movie has clearly some repressed anger issues because he has failed and keeps failing in handling the conflict he faces (the tense situation back in the US, the need to balance work and spending time with his wife). The original movie is about how escaping conflict only delays it while also amplifying its magnitude and one’s capacity to handle it. Here we just have the story of a normal geek who gets bullied and then gets his comeuppance.
@Not_me_84
9 months ago
If I walked through a city with a wedge of cash in my hand and someone robbed me. I'd be called an idiot for not keeping it better concealed. Just saying
Men and women will never figure out this tension. Maybe that’s good. The sad part is how little time the power of that kind of beauty actually lasts. Gather your rosebuds while you may.
You can wear what you want, but you can't control how people react to said clothing (or lack there of). If you want to be treated a certain way, then that's how you should dress.
@kevinhanney1979
9 months ago
It's sort of a remake of a Dustin Hoffman, Susan George Straw Dogs '70s-ish classic, watch both; she goes back where she grew up...and the "strawdogs," the country losers, really, who do odd jobs, still live off their high school football, but it's a rough role for her to do, even though there's no real "sex." It is pretty in-your-face...this "wear a bra scene," she is actually more of a free spirit than a braless jogger—they can't win no matter what with the locals—as you will see if you watch.
@notsurex
9 months ago
i have mixed feelings about this scene. on one hand, what he says can be applied to r@pe culture and telling women to cover up if they dont want to be shamed. on the other hand, her nips are all out, and it's ridiculous to think men would not stare.
@nathaniellopez6438
3 weeks ago
Looks like an invitation for sure. No wonder they got agitated. But still, it's a dilemma there I that scene.
@homewardboundphotos
8 months ago
it's the fact that she walked to the window and showed herself completely naked to a half dozen guys she was jsut complaining about starring at her, is the most stupid, weird and fucked up thing she could have done right about then. this character is just gross.
I dont understand why she would show those guys her bare body. Makes no sense.
Because she is indeed asking for it. She just won't admit it.
@mliaquatali7607
10 days ago (edited)
It's just to feed this idea in young girls/women's minds indirectly that they can do all lxstful things however they want because their body is their choice... These are always an underlying message in movies..
For example, notice how many movies that are not more than average get Oscar awards just because the female lead was totally bare nxde in the movie, while the chances of that movie catching hype without nxdity and getting an award would be tremendously lower.
Example:- Titanic.. the lead actress won the award whereas the lead actor was sidelined.. even though statistically throughout its theatrical run, from starting till end, the public was amazed by the lead actor role.
Yet, critics and the awards committee deemed the lead actor role as not worthy of even a nomination, much less an award. The same thing happened with Munich. Around that time, it only caught hype because of a nxde scene. I remember how so many video casettes/cds were in demand at that time when young college boys got to know their was a nxde scene in it. So they would get the movie from Blockbuster and just fast forward the whole movie to watch that scene only. The movie in itself was boring asf, average asf...
Yet, it got so much hyped. This is a movie gimmick always. When you got a good to great level of story and you wanna make sure it is talk of the town pushing critics and the awards committee to select your movie, just put a nxde scene in it.
@johnathanmphoto
9 months ago (edited)
Her: "Are you saying if a woman puts on a suit she'll get more respect?"
Me: "No, I'm saying that they'll be less interested. Men like that aren't looking to have respect for you."
Had this "problem" with a coworker once. I was 28, she was 20. Sexy Latina who wore a shirt that was easily a size too small and she had curves and an ample chest. She actually dressed like Lara Croft for Halloween, short shorts and everything perfect, and yes, looked as sexy as the character is drawn to illicit.
One day, we're hanging outside, having lunch and she says to me, "Why do most of the guys always stare at my breasts?" and I replied, "Because you're an attractive, younger woman and men are men." She comes back with, "Yes, but I am excellent at my job and deserve more respect. Look me in the eyes when you are talking to me. You do, why can't they?" Ironic conversation we were having, considering that I was engaged to be married and yet here I was, massaging her feet (it was summertime and she wanted one).
"Well, perhaps because I'm a foot and leg guy more than a breast guy? Or maybe because I'm going to be married and don't want to give myself that grief? I mean, with all due respect, you do wear tight shirts that are lo cut (always tight low cut shirts) that show off your cleavage a bit... You could wear something baggy, no?"
To this she got totally offended and said that she should be able to dress however she wanted and how could I possibly say that? She honestly didn't think there was any culpability or responsibility on her part and why we had a business dress code, even if it was casual. Anyway... I won't tell you the rest except, yeah, no... nevermind.
@DoNotPushHere
8 months ago
She says she should be able to dress freely.
Yes, she should. No, she isn't.
Such is this world. And I won't say there is a correct answer. Maybe her freedom is against other people's freedom to feel offended.
Who's right then? Mostly the mainstream society has the answer, for the good of one or the other part.
If she feels strange it is because she does not abide to unspoken mainstream social rules. Whatever comes next could only be avoided by law, or punished afterwards.
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STRAW DOGS - On 9/16 Don't Let Them In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7QMl3fOEYM***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0aJ8DAcUx0 It's all fun and games until someone puts a bear trap (It's called a Neck-Trap) on your head.
More like he went from 100 health to 20 health with a -2 heath per second for 10 seconds of bleeding debuff.
Babe and I were just enough into it to keep watching for an hour and a half, until the bear trap, at which point the movie was Oscar worthy.
This movie might be a terribly unnecessary, far less subtle, lukewarm remake of the Gregory Peckinpah original…but still. Damn, that beartrap moment was *brutal*.--How about that? He really did trap an animal.
A young couple (James Marsden and Kate Bosworth) moves to a quaint southern town. Soon their perfect getaway turns out to become a living hell when dark secrets and lethal passions spiral out of control. Trapped by a pack of depraved locals led by a ruthless predator (Alexander Skarsgård, TV’s “True Blood”), they face a night of agonizing suffering and endless bloodshed. Now their only hope for survival is to become more savage than their merciless torturers. Also starring two-time Academy Award® Nominee James Woods (Best Actor, Salvador, 1986 and Best Supporting Actor, Ghosts of Mississippi, 1996).
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David (James Marsden) finally gets his revenge on Charlie (Alexander Skarsgard) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0aJ8DAcUx0?
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https://youtu.be/KwZ3d8h8KSM?si=T_xqpuHmSR4nbBuN
Actors: Kate Bosworth, (James Marsden); James Woods [ as Tom "Coach Tom" Heddon], Alexander Skarsgard
Director: Rod Lurie
Straw Dogs (2011) - Hindi Dubbed HD Thriller Movie
37,182 views Apr 3, 2024Los Angeles screenwriter David Sumner relocates with his wife to her hometown in the deep South. There, while tensions build between them, a brewing conflict with locals becomes a threat to them both.
