Please don't delete this comment and don't insist on your viewpoints; otherwise, I will become a 家暴受害人!!! And my marriage will be ruined!!! I am very serious to say that I never have played with you. Thx again for your patience.
Wow! Don't be angry or excited too early or too much! If I made you crazy of me, I am so sorry!!!
First of all, in your prior comment on your first paragraph you said, (not this one you had modified), "还“We really appreciate that orange88。。。。”自己就是自己,别在这里“We”。 在文学城里会洋码子的多了,能敲中文放什么洋P?跟你客气地点拨了一次还再不够?"
I have to clarify of it in public; otherwise, you will provide a false information again . We mean readers in the public. Indeed, I am a true man and my gender is male. In the past decades, I never have any gender operation, and I believed the orange88 is a female. If you don't believe me, you can come to check it by yourself if you are insisting on任何人都可以持有自己认同的观点.
Secondly, I wish I were just like you to insist on 能敲中文, then you won't say I am 放什么洋P. I'm so sorry, you mean people in the public are放什么洋P if they communicated in English?
Finally, on you last paragraph of your prior comment which you had changed, and you said, "从开博以来,我从没有意删过网友回复,也从没如此直白地驳过任何人。这么多的第一次就献给你了。玩好,少陪。"
Wow, I have to clarify this again. I did not take any of your first one. Please don't insist on saying这么多的第一次就献给你了. Please don't delete this comment and don't insist on your viewpoints; otherwise, I will become a 家暴受害人!!! And my marriage will be ruined!!! I am very serious to say that I never have played with you. Thx again for your patience.
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LKK168
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用别的网友的话叫“这手段咂那么熟悉涅?”。 我个人认为穿个什么可以算网品不好。尤其同时发生在其他博面上利用别人的真诚的事例,涉及的问题就不仅是网品了。在我的家门里诚信是首位,是交流的基础之一。还“We really appreciate that orange88。。。。”自己就是自己,别在这里“We”。跟你客气地点拨了一次还再不够?
You did post an interesting story. However, you last statement, ” 任何人都可以持有自己认同的观点” which I may not be able to digest or understand. Are you still insisting on your viewpoints even if your arguments or viewpoints are wrong?
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下面的帖子很长,我来小结一下。
中心思想是,博主在前面所引用的Psychopathology Theory, 是一个早期的学术研究观点。 "According to this theory, men who abused their wives were mentally ill", “This theory proved to be wrong”。
在Psychopathology Theory之后,有关家庭暴力的主要研究理论,先后出现了一些不同的学说,包括现在的Power and Control Wheel Theory. 但该理论是否是最后和唯一的理论,仍待考察。
Are Abusers Mentally Ill? Short answer is No. No law or psychiatrist officially says that abusers (in general) are mentally ill. The theory, that believe men who battered women were mentally ill...has proved to be wrong.
“Dutton has suggested a psychological profile of men who abuse their wives, arguing that they have borderline personalities that are developed early in life.[64][65] However, these psychological theories are disputed: Gelles suggests that psychological theories are limited, and points out that other researchers have found that only 10% (or less) fit this psychological profile...”
(参见网址: http://www.answers.com/topic/domestic-violence)
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事实上,该文讨论的观点源于90年代或更早期的学术研究。该理论后来被证实是错误的。(“This theory proved to be wrong.”)
“When the battered women's movement in the United States began in the early 1970s, the prevailing theory of why men batter was based on psychopathology. According to this theory, men who abused their wives were mentally ill... Researchers found, however, that the behavior of perpetrators of domestic violence did not correspond to profiles of individuals who were mentally ill...”
“The first theory developed in the United States was that men who battered women were mentally ill and that women who remained in violent relationships were also mentally ill. This theory proved to be wrong. The number of relationships that involved violence was much greater than original theorists guessed and psychological tests did not support the theory that violence was caused by mental illness. In fact, many batterers and their victims tested "normal" under psychological tests. ”
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Psychopathology Theory 后来在家庭暴力的领域中,转为分析研究家暴受害人的心理行为。
“Theorists argued that women stayed in abusive relationships because they suffered from a personality disorder that caused them to seek out abusive relationships as a means of self-punishment, or were addicted to abusive relationships. Many also maintained that women were co-alcoholics with their spouses and thus could be "treated" through alcohol addiction programs. These theories were inconsistent with the fact that women had very rational reasons for staying in relationships. In addition, while battered women may be subject to an increased risk of substance abuse, this is a consequence, not a cause, of the abuse.”
同样的, 这个学术观点,也没有得到临床和统计数据的支持。
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关于家庭暴力的理论知识,现在仍然在研究和发展之中。
在西方,有关家庭暴力的理论研究,经过了许多不同的发展阶段。在Psychopathology Theory (认为心理疾病因素导致施暴)之后,还先后出现了 "learned behavior" theory , "loss of control" theory , "learned helplessness" theory,"cycle of violence" theory, 和现在的 The Power and Control Wheel theory.
心理学领域对于Violence(not just domestic violence) 的最新研究发展,可参见最后列举的网址。相信专业学者能够提供更多的资料。
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Are Abusers Mentally Ill? Short answer is No. No law or psychiatrist officially says that abusers (in general) are mentally ill. (http://verbalabusejournals.com/verbal-abuse-help/abuser-mental-illness.php)
这些Best Books同三年前的有一些差别。其中,我看过三本。第一本,看的没有多少收获。没有保留。但有一本没有那么知名的书,有些内容十分贴近海外高学历家庭中家暴受害人的经历。书名是《Not to People Like Us - Hidden Abuse in Upscale Marriages》. 是一本我熟读的书籍。与你分享。
Lundy Bancroft,从Face Book上 , “Lundy Bancroft is a writer against domicile violence.”在其他网站上的自我介绍:“Lundy Bancroft is an author, workshop leader, and consultant on domestic abuse and child maltreatment.”除了他的书籍,Lundy Bancroft的众多论文也是很值得一读的。
根据亚马逊的读者反馈,“最好的家庭暴力书籍” 前五名名单:
1. Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence--from Domestic Abuse to Political Terror by Judith Hehrman
2. You Can Be Free: An Easy-To-Read Handbook for Abused Women by Ginny NiCarthy
3. Getting Free: You Can End Abuse and Take Back Your Life by Ginny NiCarthy
4. Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men by Lundy Bancroft
5. Empowering and Healing the Battered Woman: A Model for Assessment and Intervention by Mary Ann Dutton
Psychological theories focus on personality traits and mental characteristics of the offender. Personality traits include sudden bursts of anger, poor impulse control, and poor self-esteem. Various theories suggest that psychopathology and other personality disorders are factors, and that abuse experienced as a child leads some people to be more violent as adults. Studies have found high incidence of psychopathy among abusers.[1][2][3]
For instance, some research suggests that about 80% of both court-referred and self-referred men in these domestic violence studies exhibited diagnosable psychopathology, typically personality disorders. "The estimate of personality disorders in the general population would be more in the 15-20% range [...] As violence becomes more severe and chronic in the relationship, the likelihood of psychopathology in these men approaches 100%."[4] Dutton has suggested a psychological profile of men who abuse their wives, arguing that they have borderline personalities that are developed early in life.[5][6]
Reference
1. ^ Hamberger, L. K., J. E. Hastings (1986). "Personality Correlates of Men Who Abuse Their Partners: A Cross-Validation Study". Journal of Family Violence 1 (4): 232–346. doi:10.1007/BF00978276.
2. ^ Hamberger, L. K., J. E. Hastings (1991). "Personality Correlates of Men Who Batter and Non-Violent Men: Some Continuities and Discontinuities". Journal of Family Violence 6 (2): 131–47. doi:10.1007/BF00978715.
3. ^ Hart, S. D., D. G. Dutton, T. Newloves (1993). "The Prevalence of Personality Disorder Among Wife Assaulters". Journal of Personality Disorders 7: 328–40.
4. Dutton, Donald G. (1994). "Patriarchy and Wife Assault: The Ecological Fallacy". Violence and Victims 9 (2): 125–140. PMID 7696196. http://www.dvmen.org/dv-41.htm.
5. ^ Dutton, D. G., S. K. Golant (1995). The Batterer: A Psychological Profile. Basic Books. ISBN 0465033873. OCLC 243827535.
6. ^ Dutton, D. G., A. J. Starzomski (1993). "Borderline Personality in Perpetrators of Psychological and Physical Violence". Violence and Victims 8: 327–37.
我曾经想过为什么一些关于家庭暴力的书籍被国内相关人士引用却没有被翻译出版。例如被热烈讨论的Why Doe s He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men里的很多章节都写得很棒。可是我们也要注意到家庭暴力涉及文化背景、价值观等诸多区域性的因素。而且精神疾病在美国和中国的分类和诊断标准也不尽相同,文化背景也是原因之一。所以我们反家暴义工在学习时,除了读,还要思考。
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Most of domestic violence cases are not caused by mental problems but this case is. Lucy, like women in “Do not talk to any stranger” and “Sleeping with the enemy”, is a female victim suffers for psychiatric issues. We cannot neglect these cases because they exist in the real world. Moreover, this story presents classic Cycle of Violence. And Lucy’s misunderstanding about spouse violence and her child represents female victims falling into economic, mental consequences caused by emotional abuse.
It is true that we should provide right information to the public. If you find something wrong, just let me know that.
Broad the learning, widen the view. I like this and share with you.
We really appreciate that orange88 provided so many resources as well as citations to support her arguments to correct and clear up the myths in public. We also thank the master of blog to post this article to share with us in good intention.
However, the master of blog holds the legal & moral responsibilities when (s)he posted an article to imply, advise and/or doing professional recommendation in public; especially, when it is a bias information.
It seems you misunderstand what you had quote from Lundy Bancroft’s book “Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men, page 101-102. Those citations conflict with your view points. Please read one more time.
Again, thx for both parties trying to make things clear up in public is very important because this way won’t provide false information to the public and which may cause someone’s life.
你所引用的专家文字,来自书中对于The Mentally Ill or Addicted Abuser的讨论。
在这个章节中,作者具体分析了多达十多种不同类别的施暴人的特点。(the types of abusicve men)。 引用作者在该章节的总结所说:Tremendous variation exists among abusive styles. Your abusice partner may be of a type I havn't encountered yet...Many abusers who are not mentally ill want women to think that they are, in order to avoid responsibility for their attitudes and behabior.
既然我们都提到了Lundy Bancroft, 就以Why Doe s He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men 为例 , 而且作者在前言和后续章节写到自己已经为施暴男做15年的咨询师、评估师、和调查师。 就以101页—102页为例:
”an abusive man of any of the aforementioned styles can also have psychiatric or abuse problems, although the majority do not.”
”Certain mental illness can increase the chance that an abuser will be dangerous and use physical violence”
“The potential danger of a mentally abuser has to be assessed by looking at the severity of his psychiatric symptoms in combination with the severity of his abuse characteristic.”
作者同时指出了“Even when mental illness or addiction is a factor, it is not the cause of a man’s abuse of his partner......”
你所引用的“Domestic violence is rarely caused by mental illness, but it is often used as an excuse for domestic violence. (Michigan Judicial Institute, Domestic Violence Benchbook, 1998, p. 1 - 8)”应翻译为“家庭暴力很少由精神病引起, 但是。。。。”而不是“家庭暴力很少由心理疾病引起, 但是。。。。”
4。Western research are based on clinical studies. 作为交流,请你参考下列西方各国的英文网址,参照家暴认知误区的相关内容。
http://www.domesticviolence.org/common-myths/
http://www.dvrc.org.au/index.php?action=view&view=33163
http://refuge.org.uk/get-help-now/what-is-domestic-violence/myths-of-domestic-violence/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16225043/Common-Myths-About-Domestic-Violence
and many more .....
比如我为“对家暴说不群组”翻译的“帮助孩子应付离婚和分居的影响 ”的长文,选自不够“大”的网站,但是其内容与我亲身接受的培训完全相同,授课者是一个具有几十年研究和实践经验的PHD。再如我为网友推荐的Inside the Mind of an Abuser: What you Need to Know by Mary M. Alward 非常相似于从心理学角度讨论家庭暴力的畅销书Why Doe s He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men by Lundy Bancroft。我觉得没必要让网友去买书。
依据 Michigan Judicial Institute, Domestic Violence Benchbook, 1998, p. 1 - 8的研究结果表明,家庭暴力并非由于心理疾病导致。事实上,心理疾病常常被用于施暴的借口。原文即:“Domestic violence is rarely caused by mental illness, but it is often used as an excuse for domestic violence”。
“施暴者往往是心理疾病患者”- 是一个有关家暴认知上的常见的误区。美国家庭暴力研究专家,LundyBancroft,指出,Their (means abuser's) value system is unhealthy, not their psychology. (参见其专著Chapter1 TheMystery Pg38)。