美国现在的医生科学家的绝大部分来源于MSTP培养计划,也就是Medical Scientist Training Program或医学科学家培训计划,为美国NIH资助的学费全免的人才计划。圣路易斯华盛顿大学医学院的MSTP为全美人数之最,原因是它早在NIH资助之前就有,NIH资助实施后,华大仍然保持自己原来的资助额度,再加上NIH的,所以华大可以拥有其他名牌医学院一倍的双博士人数。该计划的程序是本科毕业生进入医学院后,先读1.5年左右的医学基础课程,然后进入实验室花费4-6年完成哲学博士研究,再回到医学院用1.5年左右的时间完成临床课程的学习和见习,所以总共需要7-9年才能完成MD和PhD的双博士学位。中国的优势是高中就进医学院读相当于MD的医学本科,只要读博士就是相当于美国的MD和PhD,所以仅从程序上能够使大量的值得培养的人才走上医生科学家的职业道路,关健是需要营造从事原创性科研的环境以及对医生科学家的政策性支持。
回复 '雅美之途' 的评论 : It's highly unlikely, particular for Shanghai Second Medical College.
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it is true.复旦当年连谈家桢都没上一级。Shanghai Second Medical College.的临床优于上一医,这是国内医学界,至少是上海医学界的共识或常识,而临床教授的数量超过基础教授。
回复 'czhz' 的评论 : 医学院一级教授数量通常比综合大学多,比如上一医,上二医的一级教授数量远超复旦。
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It's highly unlikely, particular for Shanghai Second Medical College.
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回复 'czhz' 的评论 : 回复 '雅美之途' 的评论 : 除了北京协和,我读书时同济可以排第四或五位,
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你不识中文?我说了“6所重点里,至少2所师资不及武医”,也就说它能排4-5名。
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I just made a statement without attention to argue with you.
回复 'czhz' 的评论 : 回复 'CQZ702' 的评论 : Both of you are welcome to read my article written a long time ago.
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雅美途's Notes: We are surprised to realize that we have already arrived in an age that we are able to tell a decade-old story. In the fall of 1998, we sensed an upcoming transition that our Alma Mater, Tongji Medical University, may have to face in the era when the new Zhijiang University was emerging through the combination of four different schools in Hangzhou. My browse activities led me find a newly developed website of Tongji University America Alumni Association (TJUAAA) under the leadership of their president Jian Wu. He was a computer science major from Shanghai Tongji and had been working as a software engineer in the Bay area of California. My email communication with Jian received an enthusiastic response on my initial proposal of exploring the possibility to merge two Tongjis in the future. After a few round of discussions, we believed it would be a good idea to have a combined Tongji website to serve all of the Tongji alumni. I drafted an essay to explain our joined mission and this article was put into the combined Tongji alumni website.
Unlike the strong influential alumni groups in the United States, our voice had a limited calling power as this campaign was ultimately unsuccessful and we are now part of HUST since 2000. One positive outcome from this is that I got reconnected with one classmate who was doing the postdoctoral training in Germany, while I was coordinated to collect the communication list of the alumni from Wuhan Tongji. Later on, we all were aware of Chen Ligong's noted article on the opposition of Wuhan Tongji's merge with HUST, and some details in the nearly humiliated negotiation process with Wuhan University. We completely understood the feeling when Qiu Fazhu and Wu Zhongbi were in a position to defend Tongji’s brand in their talks with the arrogant Wuda officials. Reading through these twelve-year old words, the emotion is still there.
Essay written in 1998 for combined Tongji website:
“As one of the most prestigious universities in China, Tongji started her prospective journey as a medical school in Shanghai, which was established by German physician Dr. Bolon in 1907. Early Tongji Medical School with its special relationship with Germany, while a powerhouse in medical education and research, had served as a unique academic basis to introduce modern western medicine to ancient China.
The rich history on medical education has been associated with Tongji University for almost a half century. However, the order of separating Tongji's Medical School from its main campus in 1950s had a terrible impact on Tongji University's operation as a first-class university although the separated Tongji Medical University in Wuhan has been developed into one of the finest medical schools in China. Last year, thousands of Tongji alumni around the world, together with faculties and students of Tongji University in Shanghai (Shanghai Tongji) and Tongji Medical University in Wuhan (Wuhan Tongji), simultaneously celebrated our Alma Mater's 90 years birthday. Looking back, the two universities of Tongji not only share the respected name but also the tradition of excellence on teaching and research; Looking forward, the two Tongjis have to face the future challenge: recombination of the high education system in response to the merging China's economic power.
The idea of potentially merging Shanghai Tongji and Wuhan Tongji in a near future has received a strong positive response from numerous alumni and friends associated with both universities. It will be an exciting project to pursue in terms of combining two solid schools with a similar history. In a united Tongji University, medical students need spend three to four years of their college life in the main campus of Shanghai Tongji to build a solid foundation on basic science and humanity knowledge. With a deep understanding of the laws about how nature and society operate and function, the medical students will have more broad views to go back to Wuhan Tongji for finishing their formal medical training. The requirement of completed college education prior to medical school, beginning at Johns Hopkins University approximately one hundred years ago, is a characterized principle of America's medical education system. This system is renowned for its ability of producing not only highly quality clinical practitioners for manage care but also the outstanding physician scientists for scientific discovery and innovation. If we could establish this system in Tongji successfully, the demands of high quality pre-medical education are also a driving force to enhance Shanghai Tongji's development on basic science and humanity departments, a transition from a technical institute into a real comprehensive university.
It is obvious that we need work hard to overcome the geographic barrier between Wuhan and Shanghai, but these concerns can be minimized in the situation when China becomes more advanced in electrical communication and transportation. In the United States, one of Ivy League, Cornell University has been successfully operating its medical school in New York City, several hundred miles from its main campus in Ithaca, Upstate New York. We even can view this problem positively, medical students who have a privilege to study in the environment of both Shanghai and Wuhan sub-cultures will enrich their life experiences in a wonderful young age.
It is also a privilege for any comprehensive university (even in the United States) to host a medical school. There are only 128 medical schools in this country compared with more than one thousand universities and colleges around the fifty states. If you consider the University of California at San Francisco (UCSF) as a medical school of UC, Berkeley, Princeton University may be the only elite comprehensive university who does not have a medical school in the United States. We have impressed that the medical schools in this country are almost always the largest and most important component in the university. The reason for this phenomenon is very simple, that is because human being cares about themselves, life science has a direct beneficial impact on the mankind.
We have demonstrated that the unification of two universities of Tongji is an exciting project to explore. The positive results of the project will benefit both universities and significantly improve Tongji University's position in the map of China's high education. We have agreed to unite our America's Alumni organization of both schools as one of the initial steps. Let's work together to push this project forward and turn our dream into a reality as soon as it can.”
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回复 'czhz' 的评论 : I am very fair to say that: "外国传教士和西方各界人士正是通过同济与北京协和、湘雅和中山这些老牌的医学院,把现代医学传到了中国。". 同济整体搬迁到武汉后,一级教授比武大还多,怎么才叫强?
回复 'czhz' 的评论 : Nice to be aware of this piece of knowledge.
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Steven Rosenberg是位外科医生,工作于美国NIH的临床中心。他在几十年前首先尝试将病人的淋巴细胞在体外诱导成杀伤细胞,然后输入病人用于抗肿瘤治疗。
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这哥们的名声主要还是靠当年给里根动手术加媒体宣传得来的吧。