与那位Vess的最新对话

那位沉寂了一段时间的Vess一周前又给我发Email继续扯他的那套从相对地面而不是相对车子的风速中获取能量的谬论，我让他去读我的中文博客文章。过了一周后，昨天他回复说他不认识懂中文的人，且继续扯车子不是从相对车子的风速而是从相对地面的风速中获取能量。搞得我也不知他到底是真傻还是装傻，到底是承包项目的自干网军还是执行任务的机构网军。下面是自上周以来与他的email对话（为了方便读者，我将他的原文标记为蓝色，我的回复标记为黄色）：

On Thursday, January 13, 2022, 06:02:05 PM EST, Vess Velikov [e-mail]> wrote:

Here is a simple device driven by absolute velocity (there is actually no such thing, but I'm using the phrase since you used it, as shorthand for "relative to the ground" instead of "relative to the device") to go faster than the thing pushing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyii6QBLtw

Anyway, why worry about if I am lying or not, since the last few centuries of the scientific method have given us an excellent tool to tell apart the truth from the lies: the experiment? Why not simply perform the experiment to reveal what the truth is? This is an extremely easy experiment. 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 09:38 Ronald Dai [e-mail]> wrote:

Rediculous......["relative to the ground" instead of "relative to the device] violates the thermodynamics second law that you thought you are defending....

Ron

On Friday, January 14, 2022, 02:57:07 PM EST, Vess Velikov [e-mail]> wrote:

What's the violation?

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:46 PM Ronald Dai [e-mail]> wrote:

If you or any of your fiends can read Chinese, this link tells you how your theory violates the thermodynamics laws: https://www.haiwai.com/blog/p/1934379

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022, 11:02:42 AM EST, Vess Velikov [e-mail]> wrote:

Sorry, I don't know anyone who reads Chinese. But if "relative to the ground" is a thermodynamics violation, then what are we seeing with the little Lego gear toy in the video?

And why do you have all this resistance against performing the extremely easy experiment to test the basis of your proposed perpetual motion machine? Since it holds this amazing potential for humanity, why aren't you pressing forward with full steam into getting this thing built?

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 1:24 PM Ronald Dai [e-mail]> wrote:

I am sorry to see they hired such a logically confused person like you. It is you who should present a experiment to me! I don't need to give you any extra experiment since the Blackbird and all other existing DDWFTTW vehicles are the best experiments that have been done for me as I have pointed out in my writing.

You are the one who proposed a theory that would violate the thermodynamics laws and claimed that it could be done. SO you need to prove with an experiment that you can break the thermodynamics laws to extract energy from the wind speed relative to ground instead of relative to the vehicle!!!!!!!

Next time your boss should hire someone who at least can have a sober logical reasoning and know the difference between Lego and wind to send emails around to bother others.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022, 02:45:32 PM EST, Vess Velikov [e-mail]> wrote:

The Blackbird/DDWFTTW experiments showed that they work in wind. Your claim is that they work in no wind (after an initial motoring/push), and this experiment has not been done.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:59 PM Ronald Dai [e-mail]> wrote:

You are bad in logical thinking, but good at lying. I never said that they will work without wind. I said they would work in the wind relative to the vehicle, not relative to the ground!

You are such a liar and your boss is so evil to hire a liar like you to send stupid lying emails around as if the whole world is as stupid as you assumed and could be easily fooled around by your stupid lies!

Ron

On Thursday, January 20, 2022, 05:06:01 PM EST, Vess Velikov [e-mail]> wrote:

By "wind" I meant "wind relative to the ground." OK, change my sentence to be:

The Blackbird/DDWFTTW experiments showed that they work in wind relative to the ground. Your claim is that they work without wind relative to the ground (after an initial motoring/push), and this experiment has not been done. (Actually, it has been done many times showing the opposite result of your claim: as soon as the wind relative to the ground disappears, the vehicle stops working).

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:12 PM Ronald Dai [e-mail]> wrote:

The difference between your claim and my analysis is that your claim violates the thermodynamics laws and my analysis conforms the basic laws......I can give you a suggestion helping you to be less stupid: go to buy a ticket and take a trip by air airplane, and try to ask the pilot if there is no wind relative to the ground, will the plane be pushed by air or not.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022, 05:17:28 PM EST, Vess Velikov wrote:

In my 6000 hours of logged flight time in 50+ different airplane types, I'm quite familiar with the requirement of wind relative to the airplane for it to function. But the airplane is a different vehicle from the DDWFTTW cart, which requires wind relative to the ground. (And their function with zero wind relative to the cart, has been demonstrated by probably at least a dozen different people's treadmill experiments on Youtube.)

But it is *your* claim that they work without wind relative to the ground, which has never been demonstrated.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:21 PM Ronald Dai [e-mail]> wrote:

[But the airplane is a different vehicle from the DDWFTTW cart, which requires wind relative to the ground.]?

Does beer flow differently from wine in your body when you get yourself drunk like this during the daytime making daydreams all day long?

On Thursday, January 20, 2022, 05:39:53 PM EST, Vess Velikov wrote:

You hold strongly that DDWFTTW carts work without ground-relative wind. This is an extremely easy experiment to perform. Don't you want to perform it, to validate your theory? What is stopping you? Why the hesitation to take humanity on their next step toward free energy?

To:Vess Velikov

Thu, Jan 20 at 6:12 PM

I don't need to prove the known physics and people are familiar since centuries ago. You need to prove the DDWFTTW is different from the known physics, and you need to make an experiment showing that the vehicle can extract energy from wind relative to the ground instead of to the vehicle.

Ron

 

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